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14 total messages Started by KlausSchadenfreu Thu, 01 May 2025 14:48
Subway Shuts More Stores
#12595
Author: KlausSchadenfreu
Date: Thu, 01 May 2025 14:48
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-14665611/america-largest-sandwich-chain-closed-600-locations.html
America's largest sandwich chain quietly shutters 631 locations
Subway's has fewer than 20,000 locations in the US for the first time
in 20 years.

The popular sandwich chain shut 631 underperforming restaurants last
year,  bringing the total to 19,502, according to franchise filings.

It marks the eighth straight year Subway has shuttered restaurants in
its home country. It peaked at around 27,000 stores in 2015.

Despite the decline, Subway still holds the title of America's largest
restaurant chain by location count.

The company has faced mounting competition, changing customer tastes,
and lower average sales per store compared to rivals—all contributing
to its steady pullback.

Multiple franchisees have also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
protection, and the chain abruptly closed 23 locations across two
states after a bank hacking nightmare.

I asked Grok for more details on the Slide of Subway:
https://x.com/i/grok?conversation18059407746990093

Subway’s declining popularity stems from a mix of factors, based on
available insights:
Increased Competition: Fast-casual chains like Chipotle, Jersey
Mike’s, and Firehouse Subs offer fresher, higher-quality ingredients
and customizable experiences that outshine Subway’s formulaic
approach. Local delis and regional sandwich shops also draw customers
away with unique, premium offerings.

Quality Perception: Customers often criticize Subway for inconsistent
food quality—stale bread, wilted veggies, and thinly sliced meats.
Posts on X and web reports highlight complaints about soggy sandwiches
and declining freshness compared to competitors.

Price-Value Disconnect: Subway’s prices have risen, but portion sizes
and quality haven’t kept pace. A footlong often costs $10-$15, yet
many feel it’s less filling or satisfying than alternatives like Jimmy
John’s or Panera, where value aligns better with cost.

Brand Fatigue and Outdated Image: Subway’s branding and store
aesthetics feel stale to younger consumers. Many locations haven’t
been updated in years, with dated decor and a lack of modern dining
appeal. Marketing campaigns, like the $5 footlong, lost traction as
prices climbed.

Franchise Model Issues: Subway’s heavy reliance on franchising (over
37,000 global locations) leads to inconsistent customer experiences.
Franchisees, squeezed by high royalty fees (8-12% of revenue),
sometimes cut corners on staffing or ingredients, hurting quality. X
posts often mention understaffed stores and long wait times.

Menu Overload and Innovation Lag: Subway’s menu has ballooned with
complex options, slowing service and confusing customers. Meanwhile,
competitors innovate with bold flavors, plant-based options, or
tech-driven ordering. Subway’s mobile app and delivery services lag
behind, frustrating tech-savvy users.

Cultural and PR Missteps: Past controversies, like the Jared Fogle
scandal and debates over tuna authenticity, damaged Subway’s
reputation. While not the sole driver, these linger in public
perception, as seen in occasional X posts mocking the brand.

Data points: Subway’s U.S. store count dropped from 27,000 in 2015 to
around 20,000 by 2023. Web searches and X discussions show a 20-30%
drop in positive sentiment since the early 2010s, with terms like
“overpriced” and “low quality” spiking. Sales per store reportedly
fell 10-15% from 2018 to 2023, per industry analyses.
Subway has tried countering with menu refreshes (e.g., “Fresh Now”
campaign) and loyalty programs, but these haven’t reversed the slide.
Competitors’ focus on transparency, local sourcing, and digital
convenience continues to erode Subway’s market share.






NOTICE TO JENNY: please try to post fast food reviews and comments in the future
instead of just repeating your lies over and over.
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12596
Author: Kenito Benito
Date: Fri, 02 May 2025 00:22
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On Thu, 01 May 2025 14:48:01 -0700, KlausSchadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreudeREMOVE@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-14665611/america-largest-sandwich-chain-closed-600-locations.html
>America's largest sandwich chain quietly shutters 631 locations
>Subway's has fewer than 20,000 locations in the US for the first time
>in 20 years.
>
>The popular sandwich chain shut 631 underperforming restaurants last
>year,  bringing the total to 19,502, according to franchise filings.
>

     Not much of a surprise with the way the economy has been tanking
since January.

>It marks the eighth straight year Subway has shuttered restaurants in
>its home country. It peaked at around 27,000 stores in 2015.
>
>Despite the decline, Subway still holds the title of America's largest
>restaurant chain by location count.
>

     For now. We'll see how long the title remains.

>The company has faced mounting competition, changing customer tastes,
>and lower average sales per store compared to rivals—all contributing
>to its steady pullback.
>
>Multiple franchisees have also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
>protection, and the chain abruptly closed 23 locations across two
>states after a bank hacking nightmare.
>
>I asked Grok for more details on the Slide of Subway:
>https://x.com/i/grok?conversation18059407746990093
>
>Subway’s declining popularity stems from a mix of factors, based on
>available insights:
>Increased Competition: Fast-casual chains like Chipotle,

     I've had Chipotle a total of three times. Each time the food
SUCKED! I see no reason to give it a fourth chance.

>Jersey
>Mike’s, and Firehouse Subs offer fresher, higher-quality ingredients
>and customizable experiences that outshine Subway’s formulaic
>approach.

     I would argue one can customize their subs at Subway. The choices
are more limited, but it is an option.

>Local delis and regional sandwich shops also draw customers
>away with unique, premium offerings.
>
>Quality Perception: Customers often criticize Subway for inconsistent
>food quality—stale bread, wilted veggies, and thinly sliced meats.

     Can confirm thinly sliced meats. Yes, the store needs to be
profitable, but Sheesh!

>Posts on X and web reports highlight complaints about soggy sandwiches
>and declining freshness compared to competitors.

     Since Subway ceased using Hero bread, I've not been to one. But I
never experienced any soggy sandwiches when I ate there. I felt the
freshness was acceptable.
     Maybe the store I went to in NoHo is, or was, better than others?
As good a guess as any at this point.

>
>Price-Value Disconnect: Subway’s prices have risen, but portion sizes
>and quality haven’t kept pace. A footlong often costs $10-$15, yet
>many feel it’s less filling or satisfying than alternatives like Jimmy
>John’s or Panera, where value aligns better with cost.
>

     Subway has gone up in price. But that's the case for most
everything, if not everything. And with tariffs and the end of De
Minimis, costs to the end consumer will go up even more.
     Panera is expensive, but very good. For many, the higher cost is
justified by the higher quality.

>Brand Fatigue and Outdated Image: Subway’s branding and store
>aesthetics feel stale to younger consumers. Many locations haven’t
>been updated in years, with dated decor and a lack of modern dining
>appeal. Marketing campaigns, like the $5 footlong, lost traction as
>prices climbed.
>

     To be fair, the $5 foot long simply isn't profitable anymore. It
was fine when costs weren't so high, but it isn't feasible now.

>Franchise Model Issues: Subway’s heavy reliance on franchising (over
>37,000 global locations) leads to inconsistent customer experiences.

     Odd that other restaurants (McDonald's, Burger King, etc) are
able to maintain consistency on a global level. But Subway can't
handle it in the U.S?
     Quite telling, actually.

>Franchisees, squeezed by high royalty fees (8-12% of revenue),
>sometimes cut corners on staffing or ingredients, hurting quality. X
>posts often mention understaffed stores and long wait times.
>

     I only experienced long wait times when there were a large number
of people buying food. And seeing so many people made it clear I would
have to wait. For some, this isn't acceptable and they will go
somewhere else. Which is fine.

>Menu Overload and Innovation Lag: Subway’s menu has ballooned with
>complex options, slowing service and confusing customers. Meanwhile,
>competitors innovate with bold flavors, plant-based options, or

     The plant based "meats" aren't doing as well as hoped. Yes, it
saw an explosion in sales early on. But that was to be expected.
People wanted to try it. They did, and they returned to real meats.
     I expect vegetarians and vegans continue to enjoy the plant
options.

>tech-driven ordering. Subway’s mobile app and delivery services lag
>behind, frustrating tech-savvy users.
>

     Huh. I didn't know Subway has an app. I'm not surprised, but they
aren't doing much to get it's availability known.

>Cultural and PR Missteps: Past controversies, like the Jared Fogle
>scandal

     I think it's unfair to hold Subway responsible for Jared. Should
the company known about his deviance? Maybe. But unless Subway
actually examines its employee's private lives, which would be really
weird, there isn't any realistic way for them to know. Sure, someone
may have brought it to light, but rumors don't mean much.

>and debates over tuna authenticity,

     This is a valid grievance. Hardly any actual tuna being used is
grounds to hold Subway to account.

>damaged Subway’s
>reputation. While not the sole driver, these linger in public
>perception, as seen in occasional X posts mocking the brand.
>
>Data points: Subway’s U.S. store count dropped from 27,000 in 2015 to
>around 20,000 by 2023. Web searches and X discussions show a 20-30%
>drop in positive sentiment since the early 2010s, with terms like
>“overpriced” and “low quality” spiking. Sales per store reportedly
>fell 10-15% from 2018 to 2023, per industry analyses.
>Subway has tried countering with menu refreshes (e.g., “Fresh Now”
>campaign) and loyalty programs, but these haven’t reversed the slide.
>Competitors’ focus on transparency, local sourcing, and digital
>convenience continues to erode Subway’s market share.

     Subway is going to have to make some serious changes at the
corporate level. Maybe work to ensure consistency at all of its
stores, corporate and franchise. If freshness is an issue, work to
make certain stores are offering the freshest option possible. No one
likes the idea of food waste, but tossing old items into the dumpster
may be necessary.

--
I crossed a four leaf clover with poison ivy.
I got a rash of good luck.

I was just itching to tell someone.
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12597
Author: KlausSchadenfreu
Date: Fri, 02 May 2025 07:49
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On Fri, 02 May 2025 00:22:41 -0700, Kenito Benito <Kenito@Benito.naw>
wrote:

>>Subway’s declining popularity stems from a mix of factors, based on
>>available insights:
>>Increased Competition: Fast-casual chains like Chipotle,
>
>     I've had Chipotle a total of three times. Each time the food
>SUCKED! I see no reason to give it a fourth chance.

I've never thought of them as competition for Subway.

I still don't.



NOTICE TO JENNY: please try to post fast food reviews and comments in the future
instead of just repeating your lies over and over.
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12949
Author: "Jerry Sauk"
Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 12:50
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"KlausSchadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreudeREMOVE@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:voq71k5n26ia8ci7qtmkg1jua2345n3s55@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-14665611/america-largest-sandwich-chain-closed-600-locations.html
> America's largest sandwich chain quietly shutters 631 locations
> Subway's has fewer than 20,000 locations in the US for the first time
> in 20 years.
>
> The popular sandwich chain shut 631 underperforming restaurants last
> year,  bringing the total to 19,502, according to franchise filings.
>
> It marks the eighth straight year Subway has shuttered restaurants in
> its home country. It peaked at around 27,000 stores in 2015.
>
> Despite the decline, Subway still holds the title of America's largest
> restaurant chain by location count.
>
> The company has faced mounting competition, changing customer tastes,
> and lower average sales per store compared to rivals-all contributing
> to its steady pullback.
>
> Multiple franchisees have also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
> protection, and the chain abruptly closed 23 locations across two
> states after a bank hacking nightmare.
>
> I asked Grok for more details on the Slide of Subway:
> https://x.com/i/grok?conversation18059407746990093
>
> Subway's declining popularity stems from a mix of factors, based on
> available insights:
> Increased Competition: Fast-casual chains like Chipotle, Jersey
> Mike's, and Firehouse Subs offer fresher, higher-quality ingredients
> and customizable experiences that outshine Subway's formulaic
> approach. Local delis and regional sandwich shops also draw customers
> away with unique, premium offerings.
>
> Quality Perception: Customers often criticize Subway for inconsistent
> food quality-stale bread, wilted veggies, and thinly sliced meats.
> Posts on X and web reports highlight complaints about soggy sandwiches
> and declining freshness compared to competitors.
>
> Price-Value Disconnect: Subway's prices have risen, but portion sizes
> and quality haven't kept pace. A footlong often costs $10-$15, yet
> many feel it's less filling or satisfying than alternatives like Jimmy
> John's or Panera, where value aligns better with cost.
>
> Brand Fatigue and Outdated Image: Subway's branding and store
> aesthetics feel stale to younger consumers. Many locations haven't
> been updated in years, with dated decor and a lack of modern dining
> appeal. Marketing campaigns, like the $5 footlong, lost traction as
> prices climbed.
>
> Franchise Model Issues: Subway's heavy reliance on franchising (over
> 37,000 global locations) leads to inconsistent customer experiences.
> Franchisees, squeezed by high royalty fees (8-12% of revenue),
> sometimes cut corners on staffing or ingredients, hurting quality. X
> posts often mention understaffed stores and long wait times.
>
> Menu Overload and Innovation Lag: Subway's menu has ballooned with
> complex options, slowing service and confusing customers. Meanwhile,
> competitors innovate with bold flavors, plant-based options, or
> tech-driven ordering. Subway's mobile app and delivery services lag
> behind, frustrating tech-savvy users.
>
> Cultural and PR Missteps: Past controversies, like the Jared Fogle
> scandal and debates over tuna authenticity, damaged Subway's
> reputation. While not the sole driver, these linger in public
> perception, as seen in occasional X posts mocking the brand.
>
> Data points: Subway's U.S. store count dropped from 27,000 in 2015 to
> around 20,000 by 2023. Web searches and X discussions show a 20-30%
> drop in positive sentiment since the early 2010s, with terms like
> "overpriced" and "low quality" spiking. Sales per store reportedly
> fell 10-15% from 2018 to 2023, per industry analyses.
> Subway has tried countering with menu refreshes (e.g., "Fresh Now"
> campaign) and loyalty programs, but these haven't reversed the slide.
> Competitors' focus on transparency, local sourcing, and digital
> convenience continues to erode Subway's market share.


Not really sad to see them go.  The only thing they got going for them is
they are the cheapest subs, but even at that they are VERY expensive.  Might
be worth it if you didn't have to wait 20 minute's in line for the half
dozen moron's in front of you ordering multiple footlongs, every one of the
toasted, and not knowing what they want on them, and only 1 or two
enmployee's.

Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12950
Author: "Jerry Sauk"
Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 12:50
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"KlausSchadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreudeREMOVE@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2rm91kt638uno21ru1258q3eegindvcm9p@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
> On Fri, 02 May 2025 00:22:41 -0700, Kenito Benito <Kenito@Benito.naw>
> wrote:
>
>>>Subway's declining popularity stems from a mix of factors, based on
>>>available insights:
>>>Increased Competition: Fast-casual chains like Chipotle,
>>
>>     I've had Chipotle a total of three times. Each time the food
>>SUCKED! I see no reason to give it a fourth chance.
>
> I've never thought of them as competition for Subway.
>
> I still don't.

I never did.

Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12980
Author: KlausSchadenfreu
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 14:42
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On Mon, 19 May 2025 16:47:22 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bis.nis> wrote:

>On 5/1/2025 5:48 PM, KlausSchadenfreude wrote:
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-14665611/america-largest-sandwich-chain-closed-600-locations.html
>> America's largest sandwich chain quietly shutters 631 locations
>> Subway's has fewer than 20,000 locations in the US for the first time
>> in 20 years.
>>
>> The popular sandwich chain shut 631 underperforming restaurants last
>> year,  bringing the total to 19,502, according to franchise filings.
>>
>> It marks the eighth straight year Subway has shuttered restaurants in
>> its home country. It peaked at around 27,000 stores in 2015.
>>
>> Despite the decline, Subway still holds the title of America's largest
>> restaurant chain by location count.
>>
>> The company has faced mounting competition, changing customer tastes,
>> and lower average sales per store compared to rivals—all contributing
>> to its steady pullback.
>>
>> Multiple franchisees have also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
>> protection, and the chain abruptly closed 23 locations across two
>> states after a bank hacking nightmare.
>>
>> I asked Grok for more details on the Slide of Subway:
>> https://x.com/i/grok?conversation18059407746990093
>>
>> Subway’s declining popularity stems from a mix of factors, based on
>> available insights:
>> Increased Competition: Fast-casual chains like Chipotle, Jersey
>> Mike’s, and Firehouse Subs offer fresher, higher-quality ingredients
>> and customizable experiences that outshine Subway’s formulaic
>> approach. Local delis and regional sandwich shops also draw customers
>> away with unique, premium offerings.
>>
>> Quality Perception: Customers often criticize Subway for inconsistent
>> food quality—stale bread, wilted veggies, and thinly sliced meats.
>> Posts on X and web reports highlight complaints about soggy sandwiches
>> and declining freshness compared to competitors.
>>
>> Price-Value Disconnect: Subway’s prices have risen, but portion sizes
>> and quality haven’t kept pace. A footlong often costs $10-$15, yet
>> many feel it’s less filling or satisfying than alternatives like Jimmy
>> John’s or Panera, where value aligns better with cost.
>>
>> Brand Fatigue and Outdated Image: Subway’s branding and store
>> aesthetics feel stale to younger consumers. Many locations haven’t
>> been updated in years, with dated decor and a lack of modern dining
>> appeal. Marketing campaigns, like the $5 footlong, lost traction as
>> prices climbed.
>>
>> Franchise Model Issues: Subway’s heavy reliance on franchising (over
>> 37,000 global locations) leads to inconsistent customer experiences.
>> Franchisees, squeezed by high royalty fees (8-12% of revenue),
>> sometimes cut corners on staffing or ingredients, hurting quality. X
>> posts often mention understaffed stores and long wait times.
>>
>> Menu Overload and Innovation Lag: Subway’s menu has ballooned with
>> complex options, slowing service and confusing customers. Meanwhile,
>> competitors innovate with bold flavors, plant-based options, or
>> tech-driven ordering. Subway’s mobile app and delivery services lag
>> behind, frustrating tech-savvy users.
>>
>> Cultural and PR Missteps: Past controversies, like the Jared Fogle
>> scandal and debates over tuna authenticity, damaged Subway’s
>> reputation. While not the sole driver, these linger in public
>> perception, as seen in occasional X posts mocking the brand.
>>
>> Data points: Subway’s U.S. store count dropped from 27,000 in 2015 to
>> around 20,000 by 2023. Web searches and X discussions show a 20-30%
>> drop in positive sentiment since the early 2010s, with terms like
>> “overpriced” and “low quality” spiking. Sales per store reportedly
>> fell 10-15% from 2018 to 2023, per industry analyses.
>> Subway has tried countering with menu refreshes (e.g., “Fresh Now”
>> campaign) and loyalty programs, but these haven’t reversed the slide.
>> Competitors’ focus on transparency, local sourcing, and digital
>> convenience continues to erode Subway’s market share.
>>
>
>
>Jared is due out in 2029. If they can only figure out a way to keep
>afloat until then....

"I like my women like I like my subs-- 6 and 12."
-Jared Fogle




NOTICE TO JENNY: please try to post fast food reviews and comments in the future
instead of just repeating your lies over and over.
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12979
Author: John Baker
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 16:47
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On 5/1/2025 5:48 PM, KlausSchadenfreude wrote:
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-14665611/america-largest-sandwich-chain-closed-600-locations.html
> America's largest sandwich chain quietly shutters 631 locations
> Subway's has fewer than 20,000 locations in the US for the first time
> in 20 years.
>
> The popular sandwich chain shut 631 underperforming restaurants last
> year,  bringing the total to 19,502, according to franchise filings.
>
> It marks the eighth straight year Subway has shuttered restaurants in
> its home country. It peaked at around 27,000 stores in 2015.
>
> Despite the decline, Subway still holds the title of America's largest
> restaurant chain by location count.
>
> The company has faced mounting competition, changing customer tastes,
> and lower average sales per store compared to rivals—all contributing
> to its steady pullback.
>
> Multiple franchisees have also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
> protection, and the chain abruptly closed 23 locations across two
> states after a bank hacking nightmare.
>
> I asked Grok for more details on the Slide of Subway:
> https://x.com/i/grok?conversation18059407746990093
>
> Subway’s declining popularity stems from a mix of factors, based on
> available insights:
> Increased Competition: Fast-casual chains like Chipotle, Jersey
> Mike’s, and Firehouse Subs offer fresher, higher-quality ingredients
> and customizable experiences that outshine Subway’s formulaic
> approach. Local delis and regional sandwich shops also draw customers
> away with unique, premium offerings.
>
> Quality Perception: Customers often criticize Subway for inconsistent
> food quality—stale bread, wilted veggies, and thinly sliced meats.
> Posts on X and web reports highlight complaints about soggy sandwiches
> and declining freshness compared to competitors.
>
> Price-Value Disconnect: Subway’s prices have risen, but portion sizes
> and quality haven’t kept pace. A footlong often costs $10-$15, yet
> many feel it’s less filling or satisfying than alternatives like Jimmy
> John’s or Panera, where value aligns better with cost.
>
> Brand Fatigue and Outdated Image: Subway’s branding and store
> aesthetics feel stale to younger consumers. Many locations haven’t
> been updated in years, with dated decor and a lack of modern dining
> appeal. Marketing campaigns, like the $5 footlong, lost traction as
> prices climbed.
>
> Franchise Model Issues: Subway’s heavy reliance on franchising (over
> 37,000 global locations) leads to inconsistent customer experiences.
> Franchisees, squeezed by high royalty fees (8-12% of revenue),
> sometimes cut corners on staffing or ingredients, hurting quality. X
> posts often mention understaffed stores and long wait times.
>
> Menu Overload and Innovation Lag: Subway’s menu has ballooned with
> complex options, slowing service and confusing customers. Meanwhile,
> competitors innovate with bold flavors, plant-based options, or
> tech-driven ordering. Subway’s mobile app and delivery services lag
> behind, frustrating tech-savvy users.
>
> Cultural and PR Missteps: Past controversies, like the Jared Fogle
> scandal and debates over tuna authenticity, damaged Subway’s
> reputation. While not the sole driver, these linger in public
> perception, as seen in occasional X posts mocking the brand.
>
> Data points: Subway’s U.S. store count dropped from 27,000 in 2015 to
> around 20,000 by 2023. Web searches and X discussions show a 20-30%
> drop in positive sentiment since the early 2010s, with terms like
> “overpriced” and “low quality” spiking. Sales per store reportedly
> fell 10-15% from 2018 to 2023, per industry analyses.
> Subway has tried countering with menu refreshes (e.g., “Fresh Now”
> campaign) and loyalty programs, but these haven’t reversed the slide.
> Competitors’ focus on transparency, local sourcing, and digital
> convenience continues to erode Subway’s market share.
>


Jared is due out in 2029. If they can only figure out a way to keep
afloat until then....



--
AA #1898
Giver of No Fucks
Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12981
Author: "Scott Oaf - (I'
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 22:01
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KlausSchadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreudeREMOVE@gmail.com> wrote in
news:voq71k5n26ia8ci7qtmkg1jua2345n3s55@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
ing.dwarf.com:

> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-14665611/america
> -largest-sandwich-chain-closed-600-locations.html America's largest
> sandwich chain quietly shutters 631 locations Subway's has fewer than
> 20,000 locations in the US for the first time in 20 years.
>
> The popular sandwich chain shut 631 underperforming restaurants last
> year,  bringing the total to 19,502, according to franchise filings.
>
> It marks the eighth straight year Subway has shuttered restaurants in
> its home country. It peaked at around 27,000 stores in 2015.
>
> Despite the decline, Subway still holds the title of America's largest
> restaurant chain by location count.
>
> The company has faced mounting competition, changing customer tastes,
> and lower average sales per store compared to rivals—all contributing
> to its steady pullback.
>
> Multiple franchisees have also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
> protection, and the chain abruptly closed 23 locations across two
> states after a bank hacking nightmare.
>
> I asked Grok for more details on the Slide of Subway:
> https://x.com/i/grok?conversation18059407746990093
>
> Subway’s declining popularity stems from a mix of factors, based on
> available insights:
> Increased Competition: Fast-casual chains like Chipotle, Jersey
> Mike’s, and Firehouse Subs offer fresher, higher-quality ingredients
> and customizable experiences that outshine Subway’s formulaic
> approach. Local delis and regional sandwich shops also draw customers
> away with unique, premium offerings.
>
> Quality Perception: Customers often criticize Subway for inconsistent
> food quality—stale bread, wilted veggies, and thinly sliced meats.
> Posts on X and web reports highlight complaints about soggy sandwiches
> and declining freshness compared to competitors.
>
> Price-Value Disconnect: Subway’s prices have risen, but portion sizes
> and quality haven’t kept pace. A footlong often costs $10-$15, yet
> many feel it’s less filling or satisfying than alternatives like Jimmy
> John’s or Panera, where value aligns better with cost.
>
> Brand Fatigue and Outdated Image: Subway’s branding and store
> aesthetics feel stale to younger consumers. Many locations haven’t
> been updated in years, with dated decor and a lack of modern dining
> appeal. Marketing campaigns, like the $5 footlong, lost traction as
> prices climbed.
>
> Franchise Model Issues: Subway’s heavy reliance on franchising (over
> 37,000 global locations) leads to inconsistent customer experiences.
> Franchisees, squeezed by high royalty fees (8-12% of revenue),
> sometimes cut corners on staffing or ingredients, hurting quality. X
> posts often mention understaffed stores and long wait times.
>
> Menu Overload and Innovation Lag: Subway’s menu has ballooned with
> complex options, slowing service and confusing customers. Meanwhile,
> competitors innovate with bold flavors, plant-based options, or
> tech-driven ordering. Subway’s mobile app and delivery services lag
> behind, frustrating tech-savvy users.
>
> Cultural and PR Missteps: Past controversies, like the Jared Fogle
> scandal and debates over tuna authenticity, damaged Subway’s
> reputation. While not the sole driver, these linger in public
> perception, as seen in occasional X posts mocking the brand.
>
> Data points: Subway’s U.S. store count dropped from 27,000 in 2015 to
> around 20,000 by 2023. Web searches and X discussions show a 20-30%
> drop in positive sentiment since the early 2010s, with terms like
> “overpriced” and “low quality” spiking. Sales per store reportedly
> fell 10-15% from 2018 to 2023, per industry analyses.
> Subway has tried countering with menu refreshes (e.g., “Fresh Now”
> campaign) and loyalty programs, but these haven’t reversed the slide.
> Competitors’ focus on transparency, local sourcing, and digital
> convenience continues to erode Subway’s market share.

There's also the allegations that successful stores tend to have more
stores built near their area or abuseby inspectors who tend to look for
reasons to remove or heavily a franchisee for minor "violations".

https://www.eater.com/2019/6/28/19154221/subway-restaurant-owners-allege-
franchise-agents-conflict-of-interest

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/business/subway-franchisees.html

> NOTICE TO JENNY: please try to post fast food reviews and comments in
> the future instead of just repeating your lies over and over.

Fuck Jenny and her JKF.


Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12997
Author: Kenito Benito
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 00:39
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On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:01:15 -0000 (UTC), "Scott Oaf - (I'm really
Chudnozzle)" <ChadLuzer@zoho.com> wrote:

[...]

>> Data points: Subway’s U.S. store count dropped from 27,000 in 2015 to
>> around 20,000 by 2023. Web searches and X discussions show a 20-30%
>> drop in positive sentiment since the early 2010s, with terms like
>> “overpriced” and “low quality” spiking. Sales per store reportedly
>> fell 10-15% from 2018 to 2023, per industry analyses.
>> Subway has tried countering with menu refreshes (e.g., “Fresh Now”
>> campaign) and loyalty programs, but these haven’t reversed the slide.
>> Competitors’ focus on transparency, local sourcing, and digital
>> convenience continues to erode Subway’s market share.
>
>There's also the allegations that successful stores tend to have more
>stores built near their area or abuseby inspectors who tend to look for
>reasons to remove or heavily a franchisee for minor "violations".
>
>https://www.eater.com/2019/6/28/19154221/subway-restaurant-owners-allege-
>franchise-agents-conflict-of-interest
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/business/subway-franchisees.html
>

     That's not good. Kind of sad when an owner is so scared of
competition, s/he has to resort to things as petty as hand prints on
the windows and cucumbers sliced too thick.
     I doubt the customers objected to the size of the cucumber
slices.

>> NOTICE TO JENNY: please try to post fast food reviews and comments in
>> the future instead of just repeating your lies over and over.
>
>Fuck Jenny and her JKF.

     It never worked. Jenny claimed to KF me several times, yet was
still able to reply to me directly. While I did change my posting
E-mail twice, only an idiot of monumental proportions would use
someone's E-mail as a means of kill filing.
     Jenny was able to reply far more than the two times I change my
address. He's never explained how he was able to do so when I was in
his magical kill file (the one he claims keeps anyone and everyone
from seeing the person's posts).

--
"I most stonger than Darth Vapor!"
    -- Zladko "Zlad" Vladcik
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#12998
Author: Kenito Benito
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 00:39
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On Mon, 19 May 2025 14:42:40 -0700, KlausSchadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreudeREMOVE@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>>Jared is due out in 2029. If they can only figure out a way to keep
>>afloat until then....
>
>"I like my women like I like my subs-- 6 and 12."
>-Jared Fogle

     That's bad. Funny, and fairly accurate, but bad.

--
Comparison is the thief of joy.
Unless you're better than everyone else.
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
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Author: KlausSchadenfreu
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2025 12:51
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On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 13:29:04 -0500, "Jerry Sauk"
<jerrysauk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"John Baker" <nunya@bis.nis> wrote in message
>news:100g5ct$3h3nr$1@paganini.bofh.team...
>
>
>> Jared is due out in 2029. If they can only figure out a way to keep afloat
>> until then....
>
>
>Seriously?  you think they'll bring him back?  You think he would help BOOST
>sales'?  Your an idiot, John.
>

And lay-off [sic] the insults, there aren't constuctive [sic] at all.
How can I take you seriously if you can't even control your temper.
-Jenny Sauk
-Message-ID: <1370h78h79snd52@news.supernews.com>
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#13177
Author: "Jerry Sauk"
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2025 13:29
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"John Baker" <nunya@bis.nis> wrote in message
news:100g5ct$3h3nr$1@paganini.bofh.team...


> Jared is due out in 2029. If they can only figure out a way to keep afloat
> until then....


Seriously?  you think they'll bring him back?  You think he would help BOOST
sales'?  Your an idiot, John.

Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#13198
Author: Kenito Benito
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2025 14:24
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On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 13:29:04 -0500, "Jerry Sauk"
<jerrysauk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"John Baker" <nunya@bis.nis> wrote in message
>news:100g5ct$3h3nr$1@paganini.bofh.team...
>
>
>> Jared is due out in 2029. If they can only figure out a way to keep afloat
>> until then....
>
>
>Seriously?  you think they'll bring him back?  You think he would help BOOST
>sales'?  Your an idiot, John.

     When you're right, you're right.
     John Baker is a dumb ass.

[Cue Jenny running away from the truth. Or diverting from it.]

--
A small number of the documented lies of Jerry "Jenny" Sauk.
http://jerrylies.byethost22.com/?i=2
Re: Subway Shuts More Stores
#13202
Author: Kenito Benito
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2025 01:13
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 12:51:53 -0700, KlausSchadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreudeREMOVE@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 13:29:04 -0500, "Jerry Sauk"
><jerrysauk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"John Baker" <nunya@bis.nis> wrote in message
>>news:100g5ct$3h3nr$1@paganini.bofh.team...
>>
>>> Jared is due out in 2029. If they can only figure out a way to keep afloat
>>> until then....
>>
>>Seriously?  you think they'll bring him back?  You think he would help BOOST
>>sales'?  Your an idiot, John.
>
>And lay-off [sic] the insults, there aren't constuctive [sic] at all.
>How can I take you seriously if you can't even control your temper.
>-Jenny Sauk
>-Message-ID: <1370h78h79snd52@news.supernews.com>

     I'm willing to give Jenny a pass on this one. John's suggestion
that Jared could be brought back to Subway in any capacity is stupid.

--
They say kids brighten the home.
That's because they never turn the damn
lights off!
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