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On 5/13/25 7:38 PM, David Dalton wrote:
> As I state on the "Waning Clamshell/another reset to pre-judging”
> thread on alt.religion.druid, there are now 283 DNA-based aliens
> in my region, which is basically the Earth Moon system but not
> including deep inside the Earth and the Moon (see that thread
> for an exact description).

I don't believe that there's any aliens here.

Oh, aliens have sent tech here, for certain.

When we search for life on distant worlds what we're actually
doing is analyzing light.

Different elements absorb different wavelengths...

This is how we can be all but certain of life on a world more
than 100 light years away!

But, think of this:  We've only been searching for maybe 30 years,
or a little more.

That's it.

In a little more than 30 years we went from finding our very first
exoplanet to a very STRONG candidate for a life bearing world...

When did the earth become detectable this way to other worlds?

BILLIONS of years ago!

BILLIONS!

So if once AND ONLY ONCE every million years or so some aliens
detect the earth, notice that we're life bearing and sent a probe
to give us a look, there's been 2,0000 alien probes sent toards
us just since The Great Oxidation Event, the planet's first great
extinction event.

If it's just ONCE every million years, there's been over 60 since
the dinosaurs went extinct...

There's been two to three since the genus Homo arose -- Humans!

Again, that's if other civilizations go looking, spot us and send
a probe ONCE every million years...












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On 14/05/2025 9:38 am, David Dalton wrote:
> As I state on the "Waning Clamshell/another reset to pre-judging”
> thread on alt.religion.druid, there are now 283 DNA-based aliens
> in my region, which is basically the Earth Moon system but not
> including deep inside the Earth and the Moon (see that thread
> for an exact description).
>
> If you happen to know one of the 283, please relay this to them.
> I am also hoping they are scanning the Internet for the number 283.
>
> As I have posted before, there will be a sudden evolution of
> viruses and DNA-based species in my region.
>
> The aliens are in four species: a two-spirit one, a four-spirit one,
> a gilled (plus air-breathing) one, and a photosynthesizing one.
>
> Homo sapiens will split into 60 species, five of which will
> get about an extra 200 years lifespan and 55 of which
> will get an extra 100 years. Those five will be Beothuk
> species (which will be my species after evolution),
> Hain, Vico, Gilled, and Photo, which the aliens, along
> with of course many former homo sapiens, will go into.

How stupid and deluded! Everyone knows there are 284 aliens here. There
was 285 but he phoned home and was picked up last Thursday.





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"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

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an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

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meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

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still according to my power," says the Lord.

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order to explain the existence of existence."

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"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
  What a gift in a fallen world!"

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you know nothing."

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exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

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light did not ever become darkness."

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a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

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speak?"

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"There was no greater self-righteous being than Satan and that of his
children."

"All continuing sinners seek their own glory!"

"Before a man can kneel before God's throne, he must first walk away
from the one he built for himself."

JTEM wrote:
> On 5/13/25 7:38 PM, David Dalton wrote:
>> As I state on the "Waning Clamshell/another reset to pre-judging”
>> thread on alt.religion.druid, there are now 283 DNA-based aliens
>> in my region, which is basically the Earth Moon system but not
>> including deep inside the Earth and the Moon (see that thread
>> for an exact description).
>
> I don't believe that there's any aliens here.
>
> Oh, aliens have sent tech here, for certain.
>
> When we search for life on distant worlds what we're actually
> doing is analyzing light.
>
> Different elements absorb different wavelengths...
>
> This is how we can be all but certain of life on a world more
> than 100 light years away!
>
> But, think of this:  We've only been searching for maybe 30 years,
> or a little more.
>
> That's it.
>
> In a little more than 30 years we went from finding our very first
> exoplanet to a very STRONG candidate for a life bearing world...
>
> When did the earth become detectable this way to other worlds?
>
> BILLIONS of years ago!
>
> BILLIONS!
>
> So if once AND ONLY ONCE every million years or so some aliens
> detect the earth, notice that we're life bearing and sent a probe
> to give us a look, there's been 2,0000 alien probes sent toards
> us just since The Great Oxidation Event, the planet's first great
> extinction event.
>
> If it's just ONCE every million years, there's been over 60 since
> the dinosaurs went extinct...
>
> There's been two to three since the genus Homo arose -- Humans!
>
> Again, that's if other civilizations go looking, spot us and send
> a probe ONCE every million years...
>

million years is too long, no civilization has cohered for more
than... 1500 years?? plus technology, an alien society and its
culture is not going to remain stagnant for a million years, that
is just absurd!!

On 5/14/25 11:46 AM, jojo wrote:

> million years is too long, no civilization has cohered for more than...
> 1500 years?? plus technology, an alien society and its culture is not
> going to remain stagnant for a million years, that is just absurd!!

I have no idea what you're saying.

Voyager 2 will pass "close" by the star Ross 248 in a mere 40,000 years.
Technology has advanced every day since it's launch and yet it was
launched.

Again, I'm saying that no aliens are here, none of attempted the trip.
But they are sending technology just as we are.

In fact, when the Voyagers were launched he lacked the means to detect
exoplanets!  That would come later. Yet we were already sending deep
space probes...

So, if you "Argue" that this sort of thing only happens rarely -- maybe
once in a million years -- will ONE and only ONE amongst the alien
bearing worlds send a probe our way, check out this planet with all the
tell tale signs of life.

That would STILL allow for over 60 arrivals since the dinosaurs. And
between 2 and 3 since humans -- the genus Homo -- have arose.





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  Andrew W wrote:

> "JTEM"  wrote in message news:1000t6g$24um9$5@dont-email.me...

>> I don't believe that there's any aliens here.
>>
>
> That's what governments and mainstream scientists keep claiming. Find
> out why they say that.

They say that because there aren't any here.

>> Oh, aliens have sent tech here, for certain.
>>
>> When we search for life on distant worlds what we're actually
>> doing is analyzing light.
>>
>> Different elements absorb different wavelengths...
>>
>> This is how we can be all but certain of life on a world more
>> than 100 light years away!
>>
>> But, think of this:  We've only been searching for maybe 30 years,
>> or a little more.

> It's been far longer than that.

No. We hadn't the means to search.

We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!

>> In a little more than 30 years we went from finding our very first
>> exoplanet to a very STRONG candidate for a life bearing world...
>>
>
> There's a lot more the gov. are not telling us about.

Absolutely. But one of those things is NOT aliens arriving here on
Earth.



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On 5/14/25 11:46 AM, jojo wrote:

> million years is too long,

No it isn't.

You're not thinking clearly, just reacting.

In all probability probes have been sent towards the earth for the
last 2 billion years, at least. All I'm saying is if it's a once
in a million year event, an alien civilization sending a probe,
there's been over 60 since the dinosaurs, and 2 to 3 since humans,
the genus Homo, arose.




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On 5/15/25 12:38 AM, Andrew W wrote:

> And they're too primitive to know how to fold space and come here
> themselves?

That's called an "Argument from ignorance."

"We don't know so, they can do it!"

Actually, as far as we know it's impossible. As far as we know
there's no way any civilization no matter how advanced could
ever do it.

"But..but...we don't know, so they can!"

We have to base our conjecture on reality.




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  Andrew W wrote:

> Plenty of people have met ETs, even in biblical times and before. Some
> have been in their craft.

Here's what the Google says you need just to visit another part of the
earth. No, NOT a strange new planet but just a different part of this
planet:

To travel to Nigeria, it's crucial to get vaccinated against several
diseases. Specifically, the CDC and WHO recommend vaccinations for
yellow fever, typhoid, hepatitis A, polio, rabies, hepatitis B, and
meningitis. Additionally, consider getting up-to-date on routine
vaccines like measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and influenza.
Passport Health also recommends considering COVID-19, pneumonia,
shingles, and Tdap (tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis) vaccinations










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On 5/15/25 4:57 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 14-May-25 7:38 am, David Dalton wrote:
>> I am also hoping they are scanning the Internet for the number 283.
>>
>
> Why would they be scanning the Internet for the number of aliens you're
> aware of? How would they even know which number to scan for?
>
> Sylvia


'Cus these aliens, right, they're so super duper hyper advanced that
they can travel way wicked fast -- faster than the speed of light --
but they still employ tech that was developed in the late 1980s, like
usenet.





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Two Hundred Eighty-Three card-carrying aliens in the State Department!
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"JTEM"  wrote in message news:1000t6g$24um9$5@dont-email.me...
>
>On 5/13/25 7:38 PM, David Dalton wrote:
>> As I state on the "Waning Clamshell/another reset to pre-judging”
>> thread on alt.religion.druid, there are now 283 DNA-based aliens
>> in my region, which is basically the Earth Moon system but not
>> including deep inside the Earth and the Moon (see that thread
>> for an exact description).
>
>I don't believe that there's any aliens here.
>

That's what governments and mainstream scientists keep claiming. Find out
why they say that.


>
>Oh, aliens have sent tech here, for certain.
>
>When we search for life on distant worlds what we're actually
>doing is analyzing light.
>
>Different elements absorb different wavelengths...
>
>This is how we can be all but certain of life on a world more
>than 100 light years away!
>
>But, think of this:  We've only been searching for maybe 30 years,
>or a little more.
>

It's been far longer than that.


>
>That's it.
>
>In a little more than 30 years we went from finding our very first
>exoplanet to a very STRONG candidate for a life bearing world...
>

There's a lot more the gov. are not telling us about.


>
>When did the earth become detectable this way to other worlds?
>
>BILLIONS of years ago!
>
>BILLIONS!
>
>So if once AND ONLY ONCE every million years or so some aliens
>detect the earth, notice that we're life bearing and sent a probe
>to give us a look, there's been 2,0000 alien probes sent toards
>us just since The Great Oxidation Event, the planet's first great
>extinction event.
>
>If it's just ONCE every million years, there's been over 60 since
>the dinosaurs went extinct...
>
>There's been two to three since the genus Homo arose -- Humans!
>
>Again, that's if other civilizations go looking, spot us and send
>a probe ONCE every million years...
>


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"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
news:1003rh6$2v9s5$1@dont-email.me:


>>
>>We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>>
>
> Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by
> government grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their funding
> and reputations.
>



Why would government cover up a scientific
discovery of an exoplanet?

Is everything a conspiracy for you?

"JTEM"  wrote in message news:1003qc3$2v43p$1@dont-email.me...
>
>On 5/14/25 11:46 AM, jojo wrote:
>
>> million years is too long,
>
>No it isn't.
>
>You're not thinking clearly, just reacting.
>
>In all probability probes have been sent towards the earth for the
>last 2 billion years, at least. All I'm saying is if it's a once
>in a million year event, an alien civilization sending a probe,
>there's been over 60 since the dinosaurs, and 2 to 3 since humans,
>the genus Homo, arose.
>

And they're too primitive to know how to fold space and come here
themselves?


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William Colby
“We’ll know when our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the
American people believes is false.” CIA Director William Casey

Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

"JTEM"  wrote in message news:1003lm2$2uabk$4@dont-email.me...
>
>  Andrew W wrote:
>
>> "JTEM"  wrote in message news:1000t6g$24um9$5@dont-email.me...
>
>>> I don't believe that there's any aliens here.
>>>
>>
>> That's what governments and mainstream scientists keep claiming. Find out
>> why they say that.
>
>They say that because there aren't any here.
>

Why such a closed minded definitive response?


>
>>> Oh, aliens have sent tech here, for certain.
>>>
>>> When we search for life on distant worlds what we're actually
>>> doing is analyzing light.
>>>
>>> Different elements absorb different wavelengths...
>>>
>>> This is how we can be all but certain of life on a world more
>>> than 100 light years away!
>>>
>>> But, think of this:  We've only been searching for maybe 30 years,
>>> or a little more.
>
>> It's been far longer than that.
>
>No. We hadn't the means to search.
>

Governments have been hiding advanced tech from the masses for many decades.


>
>We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>

Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by government
grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their funding and reputations.


>
>>> In a little more than 30 years we went from finding our very first
>>> exoplanet to a very STRONG candidate for a life bearing world...
>>>
>>
>> There's a lot more the gov. are not telling us about.
>
>Absolutely. But one of those things is NOT aliens arriving here on
>Earth.
>

How do you know that with such certainty?
Plenty of people have met ETs, even in biblical times and before. Some have
been in their craft.


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William Colby
“We’ll know when our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the
American people believes is false.” CIA Director William Casey

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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

On 5/15/2025 8:09 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Two Hundred Eighty-Three card-carrying aliens in the State Department!


Have you no decency?

pt

On 5/15/25 12:51 PM, jojo wrote:

> aliens could be here

You've confused the theoretically possible for the probable.

It's theoretically possible that you could Quantum Tunnel right
through the floor, for example, but it's so improbable that
multiple universes could exist back to back without ever once
seeing anything approaching your mass managing to Quantum
Tunnel through a solid structure.

This is a an extremely common and quite annoying error that
people make. You cling to the "Theoretically possibly" label
while ignoring the "So improbable that you'd have a better
shot at teaching your goldfish to sing & dance."




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On 5/15/25 12:52 PM, jojo wrote:

> our theory and understanding of the universe is very much incomplete

You're simply illustrating my point:  The argument from ignorance.

"Well as far as we know there's no way it could happen, so they must
be doing it all the time."

No. That's ridiculous.



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  Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Two Hundred Eighty-Three card-carrying aliens in the State Department!
> --scott

"Why woulds they carry cards they could use theirs mind powers & ESP
and psychic stuff and they wouldn'ts need card or nothing."





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On 5/15/25 12:51 PM, jojo wrote:

> aliens could be here,

Again, you're confusing "Possibility" with "Probability."

It's possible that you could win the Powerball jackpot eight
times in a row. It's so improbable as to render the idea
laughable but none the less it is possible.

There comes a point where probabilities are so minute, things
are so improbable that it's foolish to entertain them.

This is reality.

> my point is even if these aliens sent probes say a million years ago,
> considering the rate of technological progress, they will have in.. say
> 50 or 100 years figured out how to outrun that old probe and in another
> 250 years found ways to even go superluminal, so as to render that old
> probe's speed irrelevant.

We've been sending probes since 1977. By your argument, we haven't.
Voyager I & II never launched, because we could do better later.

Or, put another way:  I honestly don't understand what you're saying.

We know you're not raising any issue that would prevent the sending of
a probe, because we ourselves have sent probes even though our tech
continues to advance.



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JTEM wrote:
> On 5/14/25 11:46 AM, jojo wrote:
>
>> million years is too long, no civilization has cohered for more
>> than... 1500 years?? plus technology, an alien society and its
>> culture is not going to remain stagnant for a million years,
>> that is just absurd!!
>
> I have no idea what you're saying.
>
> Voyager 2 will pass "close" by the star Ross 248 in a mere 40,000
> years.
> Technology has advanced every day since it's launch and yet it was
> launched.
>
> Again, I'm saying that no aliens are here, none of attempted the
> trip.
> But they are sending technology just as we are.
>
> In fact, when the Voyagers were launched he lacked the means to
> detect
> exoplanets!  That would come later. Yet we were already sending deep
> space probes...
>
> So, if you "Argue" that this sort of thing only happens rarely --
> maybe
> once in a million years -- will ONE and only ONE amongst the
> alien bearing worlds send a probe our way, check out this planet
> with all the
> tell tale signs of life.
>
> That would STILL allow for over 60 arrivals since the dinosaurs. And
> between 2 and 3 since humans -- the genus Homo -- have arose.
>

aliens could be here, they could be non-fleshy ai-like probes,
possible. my point is even if these aliens sent probes say a
million years ago, considering the rate of technological
progress, they will have in.. say 50 or 100 years figured out how
to outrun that old probe and in another 250 years found ways to
even go superluminal, so as to render that old probe's speed
irrelevant.

i am not assuming that traversing the cosmos will have the
relativistic speed limit.

JTEM wrote:
> On 5/15/25 12:38 AM, Andrew W wrote:
>
>> And they're too primitive to know how to fold space and come
>> here themselves?
>
> That's called an "Argument from ignorance."
>
> "We don't know so, they can do it!"
>
> Actually, as far as we know it's impossible. As far as we know
> there's no way any civilization no matter how advanced could
> ever do it.
>
> "But..but...we don't know, so they can!"
>
> We have to base our conjecture on reality.
>

our theory and understanding of the universe is very much
incomplete, there are too many holes and explanations of observed
phenomenon that do not conform to our expectations.

On 14-May-25 7:38 am, David Dalton wrote:
> I am also hoping they are scanning the Internet for the number 283.
>

Why would they be scanning the Internet for the number of aliens you're
aware of? How would they even know which number to scan for?

Sylvia

On 5/15/25 5:56 PM, David Dalton wrote:

> If there are actually 283 aliens in the Earth Moon system

Would that be 283 aliens -- like two extended families plus
their pets -- or do you mean representatives of 283 alien
species, or "Types" of aliens if you will?

If there are 283 different alien species floating around out
there, why don't they fight?  And if they are just oh so
cooperative, why do all 283 need to be there? Can't just one
do all the "Alien" stuff and share it with the rest?

The problem with a nonsense narrative like this one is that
you need to write an insane amount of details... how do
they communicate? Language? Technology? When and how did they
first meet, work out the protocols? Rivalries? Past conflicts?

In a sense, couldn't the learn a great deal MORE, as far
as useful information goes, from each other than from us?

They'd be just as different from each other as they would be
from us. Their evolutionary histories would be unique to
themselves. Their technology, what are the odds that 283
civilizations would be roughly equivalent? And even if they
were, differences, even subtle advances here or there could
advance your aliens significantly further and faster than we
might hope for...

It's just kind of dumb.

We're typing sentences here and leaving out the VOLUMES of
words that would have to exist to make sense out of those
sentences.







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On May 15, 2025, Sylvia Else wrote
(in article <m8lojfF33d1U1@mid.individual.net>):

> On 14-May-25 7:38 am, David Dalton wrote:
> > I am also hoping they are scanning the Internet for the number 283.
>
> Why would they be scanning the Internet for the number of aliens you're
> aware of? How would they even know which number to scan for?
>
> Sylvia

If there are actually 283 aliens in the Earth Moon system,
they might want to know if/when someone is aware of that.

And I have divined different numbers several times before,
including an out-of-date one still in the Glossary on my
mystic page, and if the 283 is indeed accurate that is a
sign than my global new age onset activation sequence
is working or will soon.

But anyway, since Google Groups stopped being updated
I don’t think new Usenet posts show up in a regular google
search, though they are probably not restricted to just a
regular google search.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

In article <1005tds$3cocb$1@dont-email.me>, Andrew W <space@defense.com> wrote:
>Vaxes? How did that become the topic?

If it's not 36 bits, you're not playing with a full DEC.
--scott

--
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On May 15, 2025, JTEM wrote
(in article <1005p31$3b04c$6@dont-email.me>):

> On 5/15/25 5:56 PM, David Dalton wrote:
>
> > If there are actually 283 aliens in the Earth Moon system
>
> Would that be 283 aliens -- like two extended families plus
> their pets -- or do you mean representatives of 283 alien
> species, or "Types" of aliens if you will?

As I said at the start of the thread, they are of four different
DNA-based species, a two-spirit transitioning one,
a four-spirit transitioning one, a gilled (plus air-breathing)
one, and a photosynthesizing (plus air-breathing) one.
I don’t know how many are in each of the four.

They are refugees and the last of their species and
this is their adopted home, and they will merge
with many soon former homo sapiens into Hain,
Vico, Gilled, and Photo species if my attempt at
instigating sudden evolution ever works.

There was once a non-DNA-based alien species visiting
here who were not refugees, and I have divined that
they have left some technology buried on the moon.
I cannot divine how long ago they were here.

--
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"And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

On Thu, 15 May 2025 20:03:46 -0400 (EDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey):

>In article <1005tds$3cocb$1@dont-email.me>, Andrew W <space@defense.com> wrote:
>>Vaxes? How did that become the topic?
>
>If it's not 36 bits, you're not playing with a full DEC.
>
:-)

Well played, sir!
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
 the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:16:47 +1000, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>:

>"Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>news:XnsB2E0D047FD4F5629555@185.151.15.160...
>>
>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:1005t7r$3cnf6$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB2E04EFADAAA0629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>
>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>news:1003rh6$2v9s5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by
>>>>> government grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their funding
>>>>> and reputations.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why would government cover up a scientific
>>>>discovery of an exoplanet?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simple. Because then the world would find out the earth's and humanity's
>>> true history, and that would lead to them losing power and profits.
>>>
>>
>>
>>   Has that happened since the discovery
>>of hundreds of exoplanets?
>>
>
>Discovery of exoplanets is only the first step. They're still not telling
>the people the important details like the earth's true history and who/what
>else is in this galaxy.
>
Just a note...

MIB was not a documentary. Neither was Encounters of the
Third Kind.

The Omen, OTOH...
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
 the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:1005t7r$3cnf6$1@dont-email.me:

> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
> news:XnsB2E04EFADAAA0629555@185.151.15.190...
>>
>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>news:1003rh6$2v9s5$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by
>>> government grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their funding
>>> and reputations.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Why would government cover up a scientific
>>discovery of an exoplanet?
>>
>
> Simple. Because then the world would find out the earth's and humanity's
> true history, and that would lead to them losing power and profits.
>


   Has that happened since the discovery
of hundreds of exoplanets?

On 5/15/25 7:04 PM, David Dalton wrote:

> On May 15, 2025, JTEM wrote
>> Would that be 283 aliens -- like two extended families plus
>> their pets -- or do you mean representatives of 283 alien
>> species, or "Types" of aliens if you will?
>
> As I said at the start of the thread, they are of four different
> DNA-based species, a two-spirit transitioning one,
> a four-spirit transitioning one, a gilled (plus air-breathing)
> one, and a photosynthesizing (plus air-breathing) one.
> I don’t know how many are in each of the four.

So you're saying 283 aliens divided amongst four species?

Well we still have four species. If they're cooperating, why
bother? Just let one do the work & share it. If they're in
competition, why are they even bothering with us?

What about communications between them? Technology? How similar
are they? Would they have a great deal more to gain from studying
the technology of space faring civilizations? It's got to be
different even if similar. Think of it like handing the blueprints
to an American nuclear submarine to Russia or China...

So you don't escape the massive volume of backstory you need to
invent just to account for even four species in our solar system!



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On 5/15/25 7:18 PM, Andrew W wrote:
> "JTEM"  wrote in message news:1003u8e$2vgag$3@dont-email.me...

>> That's called an "Argument from ignorance."
>>
>> "We don't know so, they can do it!"

> The top levels of our governments and military do know.

Thank goodness for your ESP!

Seeing how you can read their minds, why don't you just tell
us where these aliens are hiding?

The unspoken lines in this story is how long these aliens
have been here, and how many people that necessitates being
in on the secret without it all getting out...

It's not even good science fiction, really. More like bad
fan fiction.



--
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On 5/15/25 7:29 PM, Andrew W wrote:
> "JTEM"  wrote in message news:1003v7l$2vgag$4@dont-email.me...

>> Here's what the Google says you need just to visit another part of the
>> earth. No, NOT a strange new planet but just a different part of this
>> planet:
>>
>> To travel to Nigeria, it's crucial to get vaccinated against several
>> diseases. Specifically, the CDC and WHO recommend vaccinations for
>> yellow fever, typhoid, hepatitis A, polio, rabies, hepatitis B, and
>> meningitis. Additionally, consider getting up-to-date on routine
>> vaccines like measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and influenza.
>> Passport Health also recommends considering COVID-19, pneumonia,
>> shingles, and Tdap (tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis) vaccinations
>>
>
> Vaxes? How did that become the topic?

You're trolling. For sure. No question.

> Why do you cling so hard to mainstream science?

"Why, just look at all the anti-gravity machines flying around!"





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"JTEM"  wrote in message news:1003u8e$2vgag$3@dont-email.me...
>
>On 5/15/25 12:38 AM, Andrew W wrote:
>
>> And they're too primitive to know how to fold space and come here
>> themselves?
>
>That's called an "Argument from ignorance."
>
>"We don't know so, they can do it!"
>

The top levels of our governments and military do know. You obviously
haven't heard of the secret space program.


>
>Actually, as far as we know it's impossible. As far as we know
>there's no way any civilization no matter how advanced could
>ever do it.
>
>"But..but...we don't know, so they can!"
>
>We have to base our conjecture on reality.
>

It's obvious you've never looked into this subject.


--
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William Colby
“We’ll know when our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the
American people believes is false.” CIA Director William Casey

Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

"Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
news:XnsB2E04EFADAAA0629555@185.151.15.190...
>
>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>news:1003rh6$2v9s5$1@dont-email.me:
>
>
>>>
>>>We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>>>
>>
>> Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by
>> government grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their funding
>> and reputations.
>>
>
>
>
>Why would government cover up a scientific
>discovery of an exoplanet?
>

Simple. Because then the world would find out the earth's and humanity's
true history, and that would lead to them losing power and profits.


>
>Is everything a conspiracy for you?
>

No. Is everything the MSM and gov. say the truth and fact for you?


--
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William Colby
“We’ll know when our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the
American people believes is false.” CIA Director William Casey

Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

"JTEM"  wrote in message news:1003v7l$2vgag$4@dont-email.me...
>
>  Andrew W wrote:
>
>> Plenty of people have met ETs, even in biblical times and before. Some
>> have been in their craft.
>
>Here's what the Google says you need just to visit another part of the
>earth. No, NOT a strange new planet but just a different part of this
>planet:
>
>To travel to Nigeria, it's crucial to get vaccinated against several
>diseases. Specifically, the CDC and WHO recommend vaccinations for yellow
>fever, typhoid, hepatitis A, polio, rabies, hepatitis B, and meningitis.
>Additionally, consider getting up-to-date on routine vaccines like measles,
>mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and influenza. Passport Health also recommends
>considering COVID-19, pneumonia, shingles, and Tdap (tetanus, diphtheria,
>pertussis) vaccinations
>

Vaxes? How did that become the topic?

Why do you cling so hard to mainstream science?


--
“We own everyone of any significance in the major media.” CIA Director
William Colby
“We’ll know when our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the
American people believes is false.” CIA Director William Casey

Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

jojo  <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>
>i believe i was stating the opposite, that if a technological
>civilization exists which is even 100 years more advanced than
>our current state, we would not be able to even comprehend their
>engineered products.

Hell, we can't even comprehend our own engineered products half the
time, and nobody will give you a service manual anymore.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
news:XnsB2E0D047FD4F5629555@185.151.15.160...
>
>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:1005t7r$3cnf6$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>> news:XnsB2E04EFADAAA0629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>
>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>news:1003rh6$2v9s5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by
>>>> government grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their funding
>>>> and reputations.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Why would government cover up a scientific
>>>discovery of an exoplanet?
>>>
>>
>> Simple. Because then the world would find out the earth's and humanity's
>> true history, and that would lead to them losing power and profits.
>>
>
>
>   Has that happened since the discovery
>of hundreds of exoplanets?
>

Discovery of exoplanets is only the first step. They're still not telling
the people the important details like the earth's true history and who/what
else is in this galaxy.


--
“We own everyone of any significance in the major media.” CIA Director
William Colby
“We’ll know when our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the
American people believes is false.” CIA Director William Casey

Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
news:100676l$3i7jt$1@dont-email.me:

> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
> news:XnsB2E0D047FD4F5629555@185.151.15.160...
>>
>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>news:1005t7r$3cnf6$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB2E04EFADAAA0629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>
>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>news:1003rh6$2v9s5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by
>>>>> government grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their
>>>>> funding and reputations.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why would government cover up a scientific
>>>>discovery of an exoplanet?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simple. Because then the world would find out the earth's and
>>> humanity's true history, and that would lead to them losing power
>>> and profits.
>>>
>>
>>
>>   Has that happened since the discovery
>>of hundreds of exoplanets?
>>
>
> Discovery of exoplanets is only the first step. They're still not
> telling the people the important details like the earth's true history
> and who/what else is in this galaxy.


    OK, it is a slow news day,
let's explore that first one.

    What is Earth's "true history"
that "they" are not telling us?

JTEM wrote:
> On 5/15/25 12:51 PM, jojo wrote:
>
>> aliens could be here
>
> You've confused the theoretically possible for the probable.
>
> It's theoretically possible that you could Quantum Tunnel right
> through the floor, for example, but it's so improbable that
> multiple universes could exist back to back without ever once
> seeing anything approaching your mass managing to Quantum
> Tunnel through a solid structure.
>
> This is a an extremely common and quite annoying error that
> people make. You cling to the "Theoretically possibly" label
> while ignoring the "So improbable that you'd have a better
> shot at teaching your goldfish to sing & dance."
>
>

sooo... aliens are a theoretical construct??

JTEM wrote:
> On 5/15/25 12:51 PM, jojo wrote:
>
>> aliens could be here,
>
> Again, you're confusing "Possibility" with "Probability."
>
> It's possible that you could win the Powerball jackpot eight
> times in a row. It's so improbable as to render the idea
> laughable but none the less it is possible.
>
> There comes a point where probabilities are so minute, things
> are so improbable that it's foolish to entertain them.
>
> This is reality.
>
>> my point is even if these aliens sent probes say a million
>> years ago, considering the rate of technological progress, they
>> will have in.. say 50 or 100 years figured out how to outrun
>> that old probe and in another 250 years found ways to even go
>> superluminal, so as to render that old probe's speed irrelevant.
>
> We've been sending probes since 1977. By your argument, we haven't.
> Voyager I & II never launched, because we could do better later.
>
> Or, put another way:  I honestly don't understand what you're
> saying.
>
> We know you're not raising any issue that would prevent the
> sending of
> a probe, because we ourselves have sent probes even though our tech
> continues to advance.
>

i am saying.... for example, our phones have more compute power
than all of the apollo missions combined.

if you scale that to traversing the cosmos, something going at
0.05c will have no impact compared to an effective multiple of c.

JTEM wrote:
> On 5/15/25 12:52 PM, jojo wrote:
>
>> our theory and understanding of the universe is very much
>> incomplete
>
> You're simply illustrating my point:  The argument from ignorance.
>
> "Well as far as we know there's no way it could happen, so they must
> be doing it all the time."
>
> No. That's ridiculous.
>

i believe i was stating the opposite, that if a technological
civilization exists which is even 100 years more advanced than
our current state, we would not be able to even comprehend their
engineered products.

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> news:100676l$3i7jt$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>> news:XnsB2E0D047FD4F5629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:1005t7r$3cnf6$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB2E04EFADAAA0629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:1003rh6$2v9s5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by
>>>>>> government grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their
>>>>>> funding and reputations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would government cover up a scientific
>>>>> discovery of an exoplanet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simple. Because then the world would find out the earth's and
>>>> humanity's true history, and that would lead to them losing power
>>>> and profits.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Has that happened since the discovery
>>> of hundreds of exoplanets?
>>>
>>
>> Discovery of exoplanets is only the first step. They're still not
>> telling the people the important details like the earth's true history
>> and who/what else is in this galaxy.
>
>
>      OK, it is a slow news day,
> let's explore that first one.
>
>      What is Earth's "true history"
> that "they" are not telling us?
>

oh that whole pyramid thing and then they just said brb.

Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 16-May-25 5:56 am, David Dalton wrote:
>> On May 15, 2025, Sylvia Else wrote
>> (in article <m8lojfF33d1U1@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>>> On 14-May-25 7:38 am, David Dalton wrote:
>>>> I am also hoping they are scanning the Internet for the
>>>> number 283.
>>>
>>> Why would they be scanning the Internet for the number of
>>> aliens you're
>>> aware of? How would they even know which number to scan for?
>>>
>>> Sylvia
>>
>> If there are actually 283 aliens in the Earth Moon system,
>> they might want to know if/when someone is aware of that.
>
> But someone only knows about 282 two of them, that's not a problem?
>
> Sylvia
>

i would love to be acquanted with even one of them!

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:16:47 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>news:XnsB2E0D047FD4F5629555@185.151.15.160...
>>
>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:1005t7r$3cnf6$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB2E04EFADAAA0629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>
>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>news:1003rh6$2v9s5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We didn't find our first exoplanet until the 1990s!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, only according to mainstream scientists who are funded by
>>>>> government grants. They have to keep quiet or they lose their funding
>>>>> and reputations.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why would government cover up a scientific
>>>>discovery of an exoplanet?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simple. Because then the world would find out the earth's and humanity's
>>> true history, and that would lead to them losing power and profits.
>>>
>>
>>
>>   Has that happened since the discovery
>>of hundreds of exoplanets?
>>
>
>Discovery of exoplanets is only the first step. They're still not telling
>the people the important details like the earth's true history and who/what
>else is in this galaxy.

I take it that you know many of the details. You know Earth's true
history and a lot of other facts about what goes on in this galaxy.

But instead of sharing that information, and your sources, with us,
you'll spend post after post coming up with excuses for not doing it.

'You're too lazy to do your own research.' 'I can't list all the
information I've spent decades finding.' 'The deep state has destroyed
the evidence.' 'You only believe MSM.' 'You're mind controlled by the
elites.' 'Why do you even need evidence?'

On and on it goes. We been through this many times before, so unless
you have some new material, I'll suggest you go fuck yourself. Cool?


--
Malte Runz

"JTEM"  wrote in message news:1006jtj$3k5vh$4@dont-email.me...
>
>On 5/15/25 7:18 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>> "JTEM"  wrote in message news:1003u8e$2vgag$3@dont-email.me...
>
>>> That's called an "Argument from ignorance."
>>>
>>> "We don't know so, they can do it!"
>
>> The top levels of our governments and military do know.
>
>Thank goodness for your ESP!
>

No, years of research.


>
>Seeing how you can read their minds, why don't you just tell
>us where these aliens are hiding?
>

Mainly in mountainous areas.


>
>The unspoken lines in this story is how long these aliens
>have been here,

Hundreds of thousands of years.


>
>and how many people that necessitates being
>in on the secret without it all getting out...
>

Only high ranking people in the military and CIA etc. are privy to all the
details.


>
>It's not even good science fiction, really. More like bad
>fan fiction.
>

That's how it sounds like to you because you've been conditioned and
programmed by society.
Be brave and step away from the mainstream narrative.


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“We’ll know when our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the
American people believes is false.” CIA Director William Casey

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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

On 16-May-25 5:56 am, David Dalton wrote:
> On May 15, 2025, Sylvia Else wrote
> (in article <m8lojfF33d1U1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 14-May-25 7:38 am, David Dalton wrote:
>>> I am also hoping they are scanning the Internet for the number 283.
>>
>> Why would they be scanning the Internet for the number of aliens you're
>> aware of? How would they even know which number to scan for?
>>
>> Sylvia
>
> If there are actually 283 aliens in the Earth Moon system,
> they might want to know if/when someone is aware of that.

But someone only knows about 282 two of them, that's not a problem?

Sylvia