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Started by flamestar
Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:48
Modify Miranda But Don't Admit Confessions.
Author: flamestar
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:48
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:48
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The purpose of a trial is to find the truth. If a defendant wants to plead guilty and wants his confession admitted that is his right. The prosecution should never be allowed to admit a confession because confessions are inherently untrustworthy. If the defendant is innocent then the confession is wrong. If he is guilty then the court is expected to take the word of a criminal.
Re: Modify Miranda But Don't Admit Confessions.
Author: Steven Litvintch
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:14
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:14
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flamestar wrote: > > The purpose of a trial is to find the truth. If a defendant wants to > plead guilty and wants his confession admitted that is his right. The > prosecution should never be allowed to admit a confession because > confessions are inherently untrustworthy. If the defendant is innocent > then the confession is wrong. If he is guilty then the court is > expected to take the word of a criminal. Interesting idea--and eminently doable. Because it was NOT the Miranda decision that restricted the use of illegally obtained confessions. It was the *earlier* ruling in the case Escobedo v. Illinois. The sequence of Warren Court rulings was as follows: Mapp v. Ohio (1960): illegally obtained evidence must be tossed out (exclusionary rule) Gideon v. Wainwright (1963): you always have a right to a lawyer Escobedo v. Illinois (1964): illegally obtained confessions must be tossed out Miranda v. Arizona (1966): must free the suspect if you didn't read him his rights So Scalia could "roll back" this sequence in inverse order--modifying Miranda but not touching these earlier rulings like Escobedo. -- Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlink.net
Re: Modify Miranda But Don't Admit Confessions.
Author: George Grapman
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:11
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:11
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Before tossing out these rulings read about the outcome of the Central Park jogger case. 13 years later the prosecution admits that they convicted the wrong men who had somehow confessed with details not known to the public. By the way, if New York had a death penalty in 1989 the wrong people might have been executed. -- To reply via e-mail please delete "NOSPAM" from address.
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