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AI/LLM reviews of STNG - The Icarus Factor
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Author: doctor@doctor.nl
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2025 13:23
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Ai/LLM reviews of Star Trek The Next Generation - The Icarus Factor

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"Star Trek: The Next Generation - The Icarus Factor"
is an episode that delves deeply into Commander Riker's
personal life, exploring his strained relationship with
his estranged father, while also offering a significant
look into Klingon culture through Worf's "Age of Ascension"
ritual.

Plot Overview:The USS Enterprise-D is en route to Starbase
Montgomery for routine engineering consultations
when Captain Picard receives a series of personnel
transfer directives. To Commander Riker's surprise,
he is offered a promotion: command of the Starship Ares,
tasked with exploring a newly discovered intelligent
life form in the Vega-Omicron sector. Riker's excitement
is quickly tempered when he learns that the civilian
advisor assigned to his mission is none other than
his estranged father, Kyle Riker, a renowned Starfleet
strategist and diplomat. Their reunion is fraught with
tension, marked by years of unresolved conflict
and a deeply competitive dynamic.

Meanwhile, a secondary plot unfolds as Wesley Crusher
notices Lieutenant Worf's unusually irritable
and withdrawn behaviour. With the help of Data
and La Forge, Wesley discovers that Worf is observing
the anniversary of his "Age of Ascension," a crucial
Klingon ritual marking his passage into adulthood.
Recognising Worf's quiet struggle with this solitary
observance, the trio secretly organizes a holographic
Klingon ceremony on the holodeck to celebrate with him,
providing a rare moment of cultural understanding
and camaraderie. The main narrative sees Riker
grappling not only with the momentous decision
about accepting his first command but also with
his complicated, emotionally charged relationship
with his father, culminating in a physically
demanding anbo-jyutsu (a futuristic martial art)
match that serves as a cathartic, if aggressive,
way for them to clear the air and begin to reconcile.

Strengths:

Riker's Character Development: This episode is
a significant deep dive into Commander Riker's
backstory and his complex relationship with
his father. It reveals his vulnerabilities,
ambitions, and the roots of his personality.
Jonathan Frakes delivers a strong performance.

Worf's Age of Ascension: The subplot focusing
on Worf's Klingon ritual is a major highlight.
It provides valuable insight into Klingon
culture and Worf's personal journey, further
solidifying his character's depth. The crew's
efforts to celebrate with him are genuinely
touching.

Themes of Father-Son Relationships: The strained
dynamic between Will and Kyle Riker is relatable
and well-explored, touching on themes of
expectation, competition, and the difficulty
of reconciliation.

Anbo-jyutsu: The introduction of this futuristic
martial art provides a visually engaging
and symbolically important scene for
the Rikers' conflict and eventual catharsis.

Exploration of Command: Riker's contemplation
of his first command and the responsibilities
it entails adds weight to his decision.

Weaknesses:

Kyle Riker's Character: While essential to the
plot, Kyle Riker can sometimes come across
as overly abrasive and one-dimensional in his
antagonism towards his son, making their dynamic
occasionally less nuanced than it could be.

Pacing: The episode's pacing, particularly
in the early stages of the Riker family drama,
can feel a bit slow before the anbo-jyutsu match.

Dated Visuals: As an early TNG episode,
the visual effects for the anbo-jyutsu arena
and some other elements show their age.

Convenient Resolution: The anbo-jyutsu match,
while dramatic, provides a somewhat quick
and physically aggressive resolution
to decades of emotional baggage, which might
feel a bit too simplistic for such a deep-seated
conflict.

Overall Impression:"The Icarus Factor" is
a strong and important early episode of
Star Trek: The Next Generation. It excels
in its character development for Commander
Riker and provides valuable, emotional insight
into Klingon culture through Worf's subplot.

While the resolution to the Riker family drama
is a bit quick, the episode's thematic depth
and strong performances make it a memorable
and significant entry in the series, showcasing
its ability to tell compelling personal stories
alongside its sci-fi adventures.

Rating: 7.5/10

ChatGPt

Absolutely — let’s break down
**“Star Trek: The Next Generation” — *The Icarus Factor***
using the transcript from [chakoteya.net]
(http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/140.htm).

---

**Episode:** *The Icarus Factor*
**Season:** 2, Episode 14
**Original Air Date:** April 24, 1989

---

## 📋 **Summary (based on the transcript)**

The Enterprise diverts to Starbase Montgomery,
where Commander Riker is offered a promotion
to captain the USS *Ares*.
The catch: his father, Kyle Riker — a famous
strategist and commanding presence — arrives
to brief him. The reunion dredges up years
of unresolved father-son conflict. Meanwhile,
Worf is behaving strangely — irritable
and aggressive. The crew learns it’s
because Worf is experiencing
the Klingon *Age of Ascension* ritual,
which he can’t perform alone on
a Federation ship. His friends organise
a holodeck ceremony so he can complete it properly.

The main plot is Riker confronting
his father’s manipulative, competitive ways.
The two eventually settle their
differences — sort of — through
a full-on *anbo-jyutsu* sparring match.
In the end, Riker declines the promotion,
reaffirming his place on the Enterprise.

---

## ✅ **Strengths**

**➊ A rare family story:** TNG doesn’t
always do personal, messy family drama
well, but this episode tries. Seeing
Riker’s background gives him
depth — especially since he’s usually
the cool, confident officer.

**➋ Good Worf subplot:** The B-plot
with Worf’s Klingon ritual is a highlight.
It shows how his human crewmates try
to respect his heritage — and it’s fun seeing
Pulaski, Data, and Geordi helping him
in their own awkward ways.

**➌ Character-building:** The episode
touches on big themes: father-son pride,
disappointment, legacy, and how family
baggage shapes people. There’s an emotional
honesty here you don’t always get
in TNG’s more plot-heavy shows.

---

## ❌ **Weaknesses**

**➊ The anbo-jyutsu scenes:** Infamous
for a reason — the “martial art” looks
awkward and goofy, more like two guys
in padded gear whacking each other
with sticks. It undermines what
should be an intense father-son showdown.

**➋ Kyle Riker isn’t that
compelling:** He’s written as a bit
of a pompous jerk without enough layers.
The resolution feels rushed — a lifetime
of resentment is “fixed”
in one sparring match.

**➌ Pacing:** There’s not much
sci-fi or adventure here — it’s all
character tension. For viewers wanting
ship battles or time paradoxes,
this can feel flat.

**➍ Troi underused:** The story
touches on how Troi feels about
possibly losing Riker but never
digs deep. Her scenes just remind
you there’s more they *could* explore
but didn’t.

---

## 🎭 **Standout moments**

* Worf roaring in the holodeck
while his friends stand respectfully
by — genuinely touching and a great
bit of Klingon lore.

* Riker finally telling off his father
for his manipulative parenting style.

* Picard’s quiet pride in Riker
when he decides to stay.

---

## 🗨️ **Best line**

* **Riker (to Picard):** *“The Enterprise is home.”*

Simple but telling — it shows how much this
crew is a surrogate family.

---

## ⭐ **Rating: 6/10**

**Verdict:** *The Icarus Factor* is decent
character drama with clunky staging.
The Riker family tension adds depth to him,
and the Worf subplot is surprisingly heartwarming.
But the father-son stuff is undercut by corny
fight choreography and an overly tidy wrap-up.
It’s mid-tier TNG — worth watching if you
like character backstory,
skippable if you’re in it for high-stakes sci-fi.

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Re: AI/LLM reviews of STNG - The Icarus Factor
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Author: Melissa Hollings
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2025 13:13
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Verily, in article <104lqhf$17ha$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
>
> To Commander Riker's surprise,
> he is offered a promotion: command of the Starship Ares,
> tasked with exploring a newly discovered intelligent
> life form in the Vega-Omicron sector.


How often was Riker offered a command? I'm pretty sure it was at least
three times.

One wonders how he reached the rank of commander with so little desire
to advance.

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Re: AI/LLM reviews of STNG - The Icarus Factor
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Author: anim8rfsk
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2025 13:25
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Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Verily, in article <104lqhf$17ha$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
>>
>> To Commander Riker's surprise,
>> he is offered a promotion: command of the Starship Ares,
>> tasked with exploring a newly discovered intelligent
>> life form in the Vega-Omicron sector.
>
>
> How often was Riker offered a command? I'm pretty sure it was at least
> three times.
>
> One wonders how he reached the rank of commander with so little desire
> to advance.
>

Same way, Tom Paris did. Family connections.

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Re: AI/LLM reviews of STNG - The Icarus Factor
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Author: Melissa Hollings
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2025 14:14
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Verily, in article <104mjf0$dl78$3@dont-email.me>, did
weberm@polaris.net deliver unto us this message:
>
> >One wonders how he reached the rank of commander with so little desire
> >to advance.
>
> I remember someone pointed it out to him at least once.

LOL, I don't remember that. What did he say?


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Re: AI/LLM reviews of STNG - The Icarus Factor
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Author: Ubiquitous
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2025 16:29
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thetruemelissa@gmail.com wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca did deliver unto us this message:

>> To Commander Riker's surprise,
>> he is offered a promotion: command of the Starship Ares,
>> tasked with exploring a newly discovered intelligent
>> life form in the Vega-Omicron sector.
>
>How often was Riker offered a command? I'm pretty sure it was at least
>three times.
>
>One wonders how he reached the rank of commander with so little desire
>to advance.

I remember someone pointed it out to him at least once.
Re: AI/LLM reviews of STNG - The Icarus Factor
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Author: doctor@doctor.nl
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 01:27
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In article <MPG.42d86d47f66346289896e9@news.eternal-september.org>,
Melissa Hollingsworth  <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Verily, in article <104lqhf$17ha$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
>>
>> To Commander Riker's surprise,
>> he is offered a promotion: command of the Starship Ares,
>> tasked with exploring a newly discovered intelligent
>> life form in the Vega-Omicron sector.
>
>
>How often was Riker offered a command? I'm pretty sure it was at least
>three times.
>
>One wonders how he reached the rank of commander with so little desire
>to advance.

Cautious ambition.

>
>--
>Saturday Doctor Who watch party 1:00 p.m. Pacific time
>
>This week: The War Games (pts 1-5)
>https://discord.gg/uc8V4CC5?event91421004013764752


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Re: AI/LLM reviews of STNG - The Icarus Factor
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Author: Ubiquitous
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 04:30
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thetruemelissa@gmail.com wrote:
> weberm@polaris.net did deliver unto us this message:

>>> One wonders how he reached the rank of commander with so little desire
>>> to advance.
>>
>> I remember someone pointed it out to him at least once.
>
>LOL, I don't remember that. What did he say?

I think one was in Best of Both Worlds, after Picard got Borgified, when
Riker was hestitant about replacing Picard and a female captain (Shelly?)
called him out on it.

I think there was another time he met someone from a previous ship he served
on, possibly the Pegasis.
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