🚀 go-pugleaf

For what its worth: JB snipped all but the last line of this post from
a post I has made earlier in the week, deleted my signature line, and
then added his somewhat inane last sentence.

For what purpose?  I have no clue.

(kids will be kids I guess)






             Jack

"Chance favors the prepared mind"

You eat with that mouth?

JB wrote:

> I recently moved from New Jersey where one can see, 365
> days a year, literally hundreds of these birds in public
> parks
> with a pond, golf courses, corporate zones and condo
> developments.
>
> Their numbers have increased to the point where the Canada
> goose is now a recognized health hazard in some areas.
> They are quite content to hang around all year grazing on
> lawns, and fouling ponds to the point where native species
> of
> fish, amphibians, insects and plants are displaced or
> killed due to their prodigious nitrogenous waste (causing
> algal
> bloom). Native ducks and other aquatic and marsh birds are
> out competed and driven out. One cannot in some places
> walk in parks because of the incredible amount of goose
> feces. The birds in some human high-traffic areas have
> become
> so accustomed to people that they actually chase children
> and confront and threaten golfers and strollers.
> (threatening
> and hassleling golfers... well, that might not be all bad!
> ;-) )
>
> Not the best legacy for this handsome bird!
>
> Man! These fuckers fly over my house a dozen times a day
> and  shit all over my Dodge Ram! Fuck.
>
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--
Gloria:  "And on the Fifth Day God Created Birds"  nuff said!
Gus:  "I Can Talk ... Can You Fly?"

To "jmclain," sorry about what happened to your message.  (I just added a
certain jerk to my "kill list.")

I'm on the US Fish & Wildlife listserve.  They are studying ways of
controlling the populations of so-called "Resident Geese," which are an
artificial introduction by meddlesome humans.

Now, before anyone becomes hysterical about this, please inform yourself
about the difference between the Resident Geese  -- which have become a
major problem -- and Flyway Geese, that are natural populations and that
migrate enormous distances -- which the introduced Resident Geese do not.

This is an extremely complicated wildlife management issue.  One way they
control the overgrown population is by adjusting legal hunting dates;
another is by oiling eggs in nests.

You can probably get more information about what is being done in your area
by contacting your state' Fish & Wildlife Dept.

Marcus in Vermont

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:54:53 -0400, "Marcus" <marcus@together.net>
wrote:

>To "jmclain," sorry about what happened to your message.  (I just added a
>certain jerk to my "kill list.")
>
>I'm on the US Fish & Wildlife listserve.  They are studying ways of
>controlling the populations of so-called "Resident Geese," which are an
>artificial introduction by meddlesome humans.
>
>Now, before anyone becomes hysterical about this, please inform yourself
>about the difference between the Resident Geese  -- which have become a
>major problem -- and Flyway Geese, that are natural populations and that
>migrate enormous distances -- which the introduced Resident Geese do not.
>
>This is an extremely complicated wildlife management issue.  One way they
>control the overgrown population is by adjusting legal hunting dates;
>another is by oiling eggs in nests.
>
>You can probably get more information about what is being done in your area
>by contacting your state' Fish & Wildlife Dept.
>
>Marcus in Vermont
>
>
Marcus:
No problem re: my altered post.  Usenet is overrun with trolling
morons and knee-jerk reactors.  Alas, we just gotta live with it I
guess.

Now, regarding the geese.  I dont think it is as simple as migratory
vs. resident populations.  My observations in NJ are that the
population of residents is increasing; possibly caused by migrants
interbreeding with, or immitating the behavior of resident groups.
The numbers of residents appeared (to me, in the locations I am
familiar with, and admittedly without benefit of formal census
statistics) to be increasing faster than normal breeding can explain.
I believe significant numbers of migrants just decide to stay rather
than continue their migration.  It is a logical conjecture then, that
the offspring of these "lazy migrators" then become residents.  The
food is there, the winter weather has been tolerable to the birds, and
acceptable environments (the parks, golf courses, etc.) are plentiful
and increasing.

I was advised by a government official (unofficially or course) to use
the "hat-pin through the egg shell" method of birth control when
possible.  THis introduces bacteria into the embryo and usually does
the trick.  It will take lots of hatpin weilders to make much of a
difference however.

I recently moved to North Carolina. THe situation does not seem as bad
here (yet), but there are signs that the geese are increasing here
too.  In a townhouse community that I moved into, people were feeding
the birds daily and found them so cute.  Just wait!

cheers
             Jack

"Chance favors the prepared mind"

Hi, Jack,

No, the wild (Atlantic Flyway) population does not interbreed with the
so-called resident geese.   They are two different races.
The resident, or non-migratory, geese are descended from Giant Canada geese
that were introduced in the 1960s.  Because of the abundance of food and
nesting opportunities, plus the absence of predators, their numbers are
soaring .

This is not true of the native "Atlantic Flyway" geese, which are a natural,
not an introduced population.  The Atlantic Flyway population breeds in
harsh conditions of the Ungava Peninsula, off James Bay in northern Canada,
and migrates to the Chesapeake Bay area in winter.  Their numbers can
fluctuate pretty dramatically, depending on weather conditions at the
breeding grounds.  They had a few really bad years recently -- so bad that
hunting them was banned -- but this year, with a strong recovery, there is
again a hunting season.

Don't blame the pesky resident geese for "doing what comes naturally" --
blame the well-intentioned wildlife officials who artificially introduced
them!

Best,

Marcus in Vermont

Hi Marcus, I'm curious about the hunting being allowed only after 1 breeding
season. Does that mean it's allowed the same year that the birds had a good
breeding season (assuming the hunting season is in the fall), or do they
wait a year and see how many of the fledglings (or hatching-year birds) make
it through the winter? If it is the same year that hunting is allowed, is
this common practice?
Judy
So. IL

Marcus <marcus@together.net> wrote in message
news:3800a693@news.together.net...
> Hi, Jack,
> snip
> Their numbers can fluctuate pretty dramatically, depending on weather
conditions at the breeding grounds.  They had a few really bad years
recently -- so bad that hunting them was banned -- but this year, with a
strong recovery, there is again a hunting season.
>
>