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Snoopy wrote:

> My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
> Want to be able to waterski
> Carry say 8 persons
> But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
> Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
> I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?
>
> TIA
> Frank


Low, but more because of its design (which is shared by lots of
manufacturers) than its nameplate. Boats of that size and style in the
hands of newbies are best kept within sight of shore.

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:02:24 -0400, Harry Krause
<piedtypecase@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Snoopy wrote:
>
>> My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
>> Want to be able to waterski
>> Carry say 8 persons
>> But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
>> Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
>> I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?
>>
>> TIA
>> Frank
>
>
>Low, but more because of its design (which is shared by lots of
>manufacturers) than its nameplate. Boats of that size and style in the
>hands of newbies are best kept within sight of shore.

What specifically about it's design? The hull design ? If so are the
comparable boats from other manufactures with better hull design for
offshore.
At which specs should we be looking at for better offshore
performance.

Snoopy wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:02:24 -0400, Harry Krause
> <piedtypecase@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Snoopy wrote:
>>
>>> My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
>>> Want to be able to waterski
>>> Carry say 8 persons
>>> But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
>>> Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
>>> I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>>Low, but more because of its design (which is shared by lots of
>>manufacturers) than its nameplate. Boats of that size and style in the
>>hands of newbies are best kept within sight of shore.
>
> What specifically about it's design? The hull design ? If so are the
> comparable boats from other manufactures with better hull design for
> offshore.
> At which specs should we be looking at for better offshore
> performance.



Closed bow, more freeboard, taller bow, more bow flare, fewer seats
(fewer people onboard), larger fuel tanks, double batteries, full
electronics.
I don't know that boat's specifics, but I'd bet it has fuel capacity of
less than 50 gallons and a large V6 or small V8 engine.
Of course, I'm not sure what you mean by open sea. Are youplanning to go
20 or more miles offshore? What have you in mind?

i had an older 20ft cuddy. took in in Half Moon Bay for fishing in chops
and12ft swells.


Jim




Snoopy wrote:

> My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
> Want to be able to waterski
> Carry say 8 persons
> But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
> Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
> I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?
>
> TIA
> Frank

Hi Frank,

If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
at Coast Guard website.) Also, the boat is built with a lot of wood, which
rots eventually. This is why they are so cheap to get into. Bayliners also
depreciate very fast too. If budget is your primary motivation, you would be
better off with a better quality used boat.

Capt. Frank Hopkins
www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks



"Snoopy" <Me@here.com> wrote in message
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> My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
> Want to be able to waterski
> Carry say 8 persons
> But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
> Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
> I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?
>
> TIA
> Frank

"Frank Hopkins" <aartworks@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Frank,
>
> If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
> and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
> reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
> at Coast Guard website.) Also, the boat is built with a lot of wood, which
> rots eventually. This is why they are so cheap to get into. Bayliners also
> depreciate very fast too. If budget is your primary motivation, you would
be
> better off with a better quality used boat.
>
> Capt. Frank Hopkins
> www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks
>
>
>
> "Snoopy" <Me@here.com> wrote in message
> news:85uff0tcu525tuatpkvuj7i9o83hsqrjbd@4ax.com...
> > My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
> > Want to be able to waterski
> > Carry say 8 persons
> > But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
> > Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
> > I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?
> >
> > TIA
> > Frank
>
>

They do not sink anymore than most other boats.  May be more Bayliner
sinkings, but there are more Bayliners.  A 21' Bayliner, and most other 21'
boats are not going to handle 8 people very well.  I have a 21' Forward
Console I/B boat and it would be really crowded with 8, I can run with 6
with comfort.  And the Carib is a lot calmer most days than the Pacific
ocean off Northern Calif, and people fish a lot of Bayliners here.  Most the
Trophy version.
Bill

Snoopy <Me@here.com> wrote in message news:<85uff0tcu525tuatpkvuj7i9o83hsqrjbd@4ax.com>...
> My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
> Want to be able to waterski
> Carry say 8 persons
> But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
> Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
> I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?
>
> TIA
> Frank

Problem is not brand, its design.  I have a freind w/ a 215 Bayliner
and you'll do fine pulling a skier w/ 3 or 4 people on board, or
taking 8 out to watch the fireworks, moonrise, etc on the bay. The
problem is that any open bowrider with no flare, low freeboard, and no
cabin structure could get hammered in even moderate seas, especially
head seas.  You're looking for an awful lot in one boat, let alone a
small and inexpensive one.

FishFan...( former BL owner)

Marshall Banana wrote:

> Also Sprach Harry Krause <piedtypecase@yahoo.com>:
>
>> Closed bow, more freeboard, taller bow, more bow flare, fewer seats
>> (fewer people onboard), larger fuel tanks, double batteries, full
>> electronics.
>> I don't know that boat's specifics, but I'd bet it has fuel capacity of
>> less than 50 gallons and a large V6 or small V8 engine.
>
> Oh, I would have KILLED to have had a camera with me today.
>
> Driving home from a nice weekend in the San Juan islands today,  we passed
> a guy towing a 24' Bayliner.  The guy had not one, not two, but THREE
> portable gas tanks bungee corded to his swim platform.  Two jerry cans and
> one 6 gallon portable tank with hose.  Only thing better would have been
> if he had his fenders hanging out on the interstate at 70MPH. :)
>
> Of course MY Bayliner now has adequate tankage, thanks to a lot of
> retrofit work while I was replacing the rotten floor and stringers last
> year.  I figure that 36 gallons is adequate for a 19' boat with a 140HP
> outboard.  Better than the 12 gallon tank that it came with, anyway.
>
> Dan
>
>
Hmmm...did the boat being hauled have a Kansas plate on its trailer?

Your 19-footer had a 12-gallon tank? Cripes.

Also Sprach Harry Krause <piedtypecase@yahoo.com>:

> Closed bow, more freeboard, taller bow, more bow flare, fewer seats
> (fewer people onboard), larger fuel tanks, double batteries, full
> electronics.
> I don't know that boat's specifics, but I'd bet it has fuel capacity of
> less than 50 gallons and a large V6 or small V8 engine.

Oh, I would have KILLED to have had a camera with me today.

Driving home from a nice weekend in the San Juan islands today,  we passed
a guy towing a 24' Bayliner.  The guy had not one, not two, but THREE
portable gas tanks bungee corded to his swim platform.  Two jerry cans and
one 6 gallon portable tank with hose.  Only thing better would have been
if he had his fenders hanging out on the interstate at 70MPH. :)

Of course MY Bayliner now has adequate tankage, thanks to a lot of
retrofit work while I was replacing the rotten floor and stringers last
year.  I figure that 36 gallons is adequate for a 19' boat with a 140HP
outboard.  Better than the 12 gallon tank that it came with, anyway.

Dan


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"Frank Hopkins" <aartworks@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uWmKc.2526$iK.1644@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Hi Frank,
>
> If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
> and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
> reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
> at Coast Guard website.) Also, the boat is built with a lot of wood, which
> rots eventually. This is why they are so cheap to get into. Bayliners also
> depreciate very fast too. If budget is your primary motivation, you would
be
> better off with a better quality used boat.
>
> Capt. Frank Hopkins
> www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks

Can't find the sinking reports, got a link?

Glenn

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:37:52 -0400, "Glenn Deneweth"
<gdeneweth@ccogeco.ca> wrote:

>Can't find the sinking reports, got a link?

===================

http://www.uscgboating.org/statistics/Boating_Statistics_2000.pdf

None at all.  I wouldn't take that boat anywhere but a lake or an inland bay.

Paul