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Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34
Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: NOSPAM@lnop.com
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washingtonpost.com Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle By Rob Stein Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, January 3, 2004; Page A01 She had just graduated from college when the frightening symptoms started to surface. The vivacious, easygoing 22-year-old suddenly became inexplicably irritable and short-tempered. Then her memory started failing. Her right hand began to tremble. Her leg started to shake, and her balance gave way. "She just cried and cried and cried," said the Miami woman's father, who asked that his daughter be identified only by her first name, Charlene. "She knew she was sick, but she didn't know what it was." Within six months, Charlene was incoherent and helpless, unable to speak or control her bodily functions. Today, two years after the first symptoms appeared, she lies bedridden, her brain ravaged. She is fed through a tube in her stomach and has no hope of surviving. "She went down very quickly. She lost awareness. She doesn't know where she is and who anyone is," said her father, Patrick. "Every day is hard." Charlene is the only person in the United States confirmed to have the human form of mad cow disease, in which a misshapen infectious protein inexorably erodes the brain. She is believed to have contracted the insidious disease by eating infected beef during her first 13 years of life, when her family was living in Britain. Charlene's story is the kind of tragedy that the United States is desperately trying to avoid after the discovery of the first U.S. cow carrying the infection. "I'm terrified that this is going to happen again. It's like being in the U.K. again, watching this all over again," Patrick said. "I'm worried that people may be eating beef that is contaminated and that down the road people are going to start to die from this disease." Government officials and many independent experts stress that even with the long-feared detection of an infected cow in this country, existing safeguards mean the risk that anyone eating U.S. beef will face Charlene's fate remains extremely remote. Agriculture officials announced drastic new measures this week in the hopes of erasing any possibility of danger. But as experts debate the effectiveness of the new protections, try to figure out how the Holstein became infected and search for other contaminated cows that may be in the food supply, the discovery of the infected animal has focused attention on the many uncertainties about the illness and on how well the government monitors for homegrown cases. "I think the occurrence of mad cow disease is something of a wake-up call that no matter how we insulate ourselves, we need to be increasingly vigilant and fill in whatever gaps there might be," said Raymond Roos of the University of Chicago, who studies the disease. Worldwide, 153 cases of the human form of mad cow disease have been reported. The overwhelming majority -- 143 -- occurred in England, where the disease was first detected in 1996. Six cases have been documented in France, and one each has been reported in Italy, Ireland, Canada and the United States. All have been linked to the mad cow epidemic in England in the 1980s. In cows, the disease is officially known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) -- "spongiform" because the disease makes the brain look like a hole-riddled sponge. In humans, the disease is called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD). It is named after Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD), a similar but distinct brain malady first identified in Germany in 1920. CJD is one of a few diseases caused by prions. Prions are strange, normally harmless proteins found in the brain that contort into a shape that makes them lethal to nerve cells. In CJD, which occurs in about 1 out of every 1 million people, the malformation occurs spontaneously for reasons that remain a mystery. Victims quickly and progressively lose their ability to think and control their bodies. It is untreatable and invariably fatal. The disease almost always hits people in their fifties, sixties and seventies. In the late 1990s, however, British doctors noticed that unusual cases appeared to be striking people in their twenties and thirties. Scientists traced the baffling cases to meat from cows stricken by mad cow disease -- which is also caused by prions. Until then, the only known cases of transmitted CJD involved transplant patients who were given nervous system tissue or short children who received injections of growth hormone derived unknowingly from infected people. It is also passed down through generations in rare families. In 1996, Britain faced the possibility of a devastating epidemic of the first prion disease known to be spread by eating infected animals. U.S. officials began monitoring the incidence of CJD in this country and started investigating unusual cases. "Because of travel to the United Kingdom, some Americans may have been exposed to BSE," said Ermias Belay, a medical epidemiologist at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. "It's an awful disease." The key was to differentiate between CJD, the spontaneous form of the disease, and vCJD, the human form of mad cow disease. Although the two diseases are similar, they differ in ways aside from the age of typical victims. The first symptoms of CJD are usually memory lapses and difficulty standing, walking and talking. Victims deteriorate rapidly, becoming bedridden in weeks or months and falling into a coma before they die, usually within a year. In contrast, vCJD patients tend first to develop psychiatric symptoms such as Charlene's -- depression, anxiety, withdrawal. They also often have severe pain or tingling and burning sensations in the legs before they begin to lose the ability to stand, walk and talk. As in Charlene's case, the agony often stretches over two to four years before death. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) can frequently detect unique changes in the brain that distinguish vCJD from CJD. Sometimes the prions can be found in the tonsils of vCJD victims, as was the case with Charlene. An electroencephalogram (EEG) can sometimes spot a distinctive brain wave pattern in CJD patients that does not occur in vCJD patients. But the only way to make a definitive diagnosis is to do a detailed examination of the brain after death. The brains of vCJD patients have telltale deposits of plaque. There are also subtle differences in the prion proteins that can be detected by chemical analysis. In the past six years, doctors have shipped samples from the brains of 732 patients who have died from suspicious diseases to the National Prion Disease Pathology Surveillance Center, which the CDC established at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland. Scientists conduct a battery of tests for signs of vCJD and another disease caused by prions that affects elk and deer, called chronic wasting disease. It has not been found in humans. Some skeptics say odd cases or clusters of cases of CJD have occurred in the United States that may be homegrown vCJD, but the CDC and other experts maintain that none has been confirmed. "We think we are in the best position to discover if there is an atypical case," said Pierluigi Gambetti, who directs the Cleveland center. "We have not seen one case of variant CJD that was a real American indigenous case." But Gambetti acknowledged that he gets samples from only perhaps half of the cases of CJD that would be expected to occur each year in the United States. "It's not complete surveillance. It's like you go to the airport, and half the people go unchecked. You would not be happy to fly in an airplane where half the people have not been checked at all," Gambetti said. "If we want to protect Americans, we need to examine many more cases." Nevertheless, experts doubt that large numbers of cases are escaping detection in this country. The main reason is the relatively small number of cases that have occurred in Britain even though more than 1 million infected cows may have entered the food supply there. But one of the major outstanding questions about vCJD is the incubation period. It appears to be five to 15 years. But similar diseases have incubation periods of as many as perhaps 40 years, leaving open the possibility that a wave of new victims could occur in coming decades. And many other questions remain, including exactly how much infected tissue it takes to pass on the infection, and why the disease singles out younger people. "There are theories and ideas," said Paul Brown of the National Institutes of Health. "Presumably, it is because they were exposed to the BSE infectious agent at a young age through inexpensive foods eaten by schoolchildren. But we really cannot make any pronouncements on that." (The meat supplied in schools is often a mixture that includes tissue that is not used in prime meat.) Another mystery is why almost everyone who gets sick seems to have a specific genetic version of the protein. "That's a puzzle. No one has a clue," Brown said. "But clearly it's a susceptibility factor." Taken together, the uncertainties make it impossible to know for sure what the future holds. "Prion diseases have been the source of continuing surprises for decades," said Roos in Chicago. "So most people who work in the field are hesitant to say that something never can occur." In Miami, as he watches his daughter wither away, Charlene's father hopes that U.S. officials do not repeat the mistakes their British counterparts made. "It's sad enough what happened there," he said. "It shouldn't be happening again. It should not be happening again." -------------------------------------
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: banmilk@hotmail.
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 10:36
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 10:36
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Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message news:<bg7dvvkfibc84q06mnbvjslisekj5jdnab@4ax.com>... > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34:55 GMT, NOSPAM@lnop.com (PropMan) wrote: > > >But the only way to make a definitive diagnosis is to do a detailed > >examination of the brain after death. The brains of vCJD patients have > >telltale deposits of plaque. There are also subtle differences in the > >prion proteins that can be detected by chemical analysis. > > Sounds more and more like an AGE disease where proteins are deformed > by abnormal glycations and form new tertiary structures, like the > typical beta-pleated sheet that prions form. > > In case, it is possible that the reason is rather in a fatal > combination of too high sugar use in diet and lack of antioxidants. Or a meat eater's disease. Mad Cow Causes BOTH 'Sporadic' CJD and vCJD 1-3-4 Mad Cow - Linked To Thousands Of CJD Cases? "People who develop CJD from eating mad cow contaminated beef have been thought to develop a specific form of the disorder called variant CJD. But new research, released last December, indicates the mad cow pathogen can cause both sporadic CJD and the variant form, vCJD." By Steve Mitchell United Press International 1-3-4 (UPI via COMTEX) -- The U.S. government's monitoring system for cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, a fatal human brain illness, could be missing tens of thousands of victims, scientists and consumer advocates have told United Press International. The rest of the article may be found at: http://www.rense.com/general47/spor.htm ..
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: Alf Christophers
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 15:11
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34:55 GMT, NOSPAM@lnop.com (PropMan) wrote: >But the only way to make a definitive diagnosis is to do a detailed >examination of the brain after death. The brains of vCJD patients have >telltale deposits of plaque. There are also subtle differences in the >prion proteins that can be detected by chemical analysis. Sounds more and more like an AGE disease where proteins are deformed by abnormal glycations and form new tertiary structures, like the typical beta-pleated sheet that prions form. In case, it is possible that the reason is rather in a fatal combination of too high sugar use in diet and lack of antioxidants.
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:46
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"Ron" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:436a5d81.0401031036.3591bd8c@posting.google.com... > Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message news:<bg7dvvkfibc84q06mnbvjslisekj5jdnab@4ax.com>... > > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34:55 GMT, NOSPAM@lnop.com (PropMan) wrote: > > > > >But the only way to make a definitive diagnosis is to do a detailed > > >examination of the brain after death. The brains of vCJD patients have > > >telltale deposits of plaque. There are also subtle differences in the > > >prion proteins that can be detected by chemical analysis. > > > > Sounds more and more like an AGE disease where proteins are deformed > > by abnormal glycations and form new tertiary structures, like the > > typical beta-pleated sheet that prions form. > > > > In case, it is possible that the reason is rather in a fatal > > combination of too high sugar use in diet and lack of antioxidants. > > > > Or a meat eater's disease. > > actually the proportion of vegetarians in the UK who have developed nvCJD is about the same as the proportion they form of the population., Vegetarians have their children vaccinated from vaccines grown on bovine foetal serum etc Jim Webster
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Zakhar"
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:48
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"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message news:bt72sh$k5r$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Ron" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:436a5d81.0401031036.3591bd8c@posting.google.com... > > Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message > news:<bg7dvvkfibc84q06mnbvjslisekj5jdnab@4ax.com>... > > > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34:55 GMT, NOSPAM@lnop.com (PropMan) wrote: > > > > > > >But the only way to make a definitive diagnosis is to do a detailed > > > >examination of the brain after death. The brains of vCJD patients have > > > >telltale deposits of plaque. There are also subtle differences in the > > > >prion proteins that can be detected by chemical analysis. > > > > > > Sounds more and more like an AGE disease where proteins are deformed > > > by abnormal glycations and form new tertiary structures, like the > > > typical beta-pleated sheet that prions form. > > > > > > In case, it is possible that the reason is rather in a fatal > > > combination of too high sugar use in diet and lack of antioxidants. > > > > > > > > Or a meat eater's disease. > > > > > > actually the proportion of vegetarians in the UK who have developed nvCJD is > about the same as the proportion they form of the population., Crap. The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". > > Vegetarians have their children vaccinated from vaccines grown on bovine > foetal serum etc So? > > Jim Webster > > >
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:05
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"Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message news:d81e09bdaa6af552a8b3018d3b20071a@news.teranews.com... > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:bt72sh$k5r$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > "Ron" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:436a5d81.0401031036.3591bd8c@posting.google.com... > > > Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message > > news:<bg7dvvkfibc84q06mnbvjslisekj5jdnab@4ax.com>... > > > > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34:55 GMT, NOSPAM@lnop.com (PropMan) wrote: > > > > > > > > >But the only way to make a definitive diagnosis is to do a detailed > > > > >examination of the brain after death. The brains of vCJD patients > have > > > > >telltale deposits of plaque. There are also subtle differences in the > > > > >prion proteins that can be detected by chemical analysis. > > > > > > > > Sounds more and more like an AGE disease where proteins are deformed > > > > by abnormal glycations and form new tertiary structures, like the > > > > typical beta-pleated sheet that prions form. > > > > > > > > In case, it is possible that the reason is rather in a fatal > > > > combination of too high sugar use in diet and lack of antioxidants. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or a meat eater's disease. > > > > > > > > > > actually the proportion of vegetarians in the UK who have developed nvCJD > is > > about the same as the proportion they form of the population., > > Crap. > > The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". most vegetarians do actually, most of my best customers for beef are lapsed vegetarians > > > > > Vegetarians have their children vaccinated from vaccines grown on bovine > > foetal serum etc > > So? > obviously if you cannot understand it, it is hardly my place to enlighten you Jim Webster
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Zakhar"
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:51
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"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message news:bt7g8k$tle$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message > news:d81e09bdaa6af552a8b3018d3b20071a@news.teranews.com... > > > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:bt72sh$k5r$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > > > "Ron" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:436a5d81.0401031036.3591bd8c@posting.google.com... > > > > Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in > message > > > news:<bg7dvvkfibc84q06mnbvjslisekj5jdnab@4ax.com>... > > > > > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34:55 GMT, NOSPAM@lnop.com (PropMan) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >But the only way to make a definitive diagnosis is to do a detailed > > > > > >examination of the brain after death. The brains of vCJD patients > > have > > > > > >telltale deposits of plaque. There are also subtle differences in > the > > > > > >prion proteins that can be detected by chemical analysis. > > > > > > > > > > Sounds more and more like an AGE disease where proteins are deformed > > > > > by abnormal glycations and form new tertiary structures, like the > > > > > typical beta-pleated sheet that prions form. > > > > > > > > > > In case, it is possible that the reason is rather in a fatal > > > > > combination of too high sugar use in diet and lack of antioxidants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or a meat eater's disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually the proportion of vegetarians in the UK who have developed > nvCJD > > is > > > about the same as the proportion they form of the population., > > > > Crap. > > > > The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". > > most vegetarians do actually, That would be lying meat eaters who call themselves vegetarian, actually. >most of my best customers for beef are lapsed > vegetarians. You are a twat. > > > > > > > > > Vegetarians have their children vaccinated from vaccines grown on bovine > > > foetal serum etc > > > > So? > > > > obviously if you cannot understand it, it is hardly my place to enlighten > you No point to make; nothing new there, eh, jimmy boy.
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: Bob Ward
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:26
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:05:10 -0000, "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote: >> The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". > >most vegetarians do actually, most of my best customers for beef are lapsed >vegetarians Do they wear a badge of some kind?
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 06:58
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"Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message news:b026bbaac1fecbd5e4681c5cb6062e61@news.teranews.com... > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:bt7g8k$tle$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > "Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message > > news:d81e09bdaa6af552a8b3018d3b20071a@news.teranews.com... > > > > > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > > > news:bt72sh$k5r$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > > > > > "Ron" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:436a5d81.0401031036.3591bd8c@posting.google.com... > > > > > Alf Christophersen <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in > > message > > > > news:<bg7dvvkfibc84q06mnbvjslisekj5jdnab@4ax.com>... > > > > > > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:34:55 GMT, NOSPAM@lnop.com (PropMan) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >But the only way to make a definitive diagnosis is to do a > detailed > > > > > > >examination of the brain after death. The brains of vCJD patients > > > have > > > > > > >telltale deposits of plaque. There are also subtle differences in > > the > > > > > > >prion proteins that can be detected by chemical analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds more and more like an AGE disease where proteins are > deformed > > > > > > by abnormal glycations and form new tertiary structures, like the > > > > > > typical beta-pleated sheet that prions form. > > > > > > > > > > > > In case, it is possible that the reason is rather in a fatal > > > > > > combination of too high sugar use in diet and lack of > antioxidants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or a meat eater's disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually the proportion of vegetarians in the UK who have developed > > nvCJD > > > is > > > > about the same as the proportion they form of the population., > > > > > > Crap. > > > > > > The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". > > > > most vegetarians do actually, > > That would be lying meat eaters who call themselves vegetarian, actually. > > >most of my best customers for beef are lapsed > > vegetarians. > > You are a twat. nice to see vegetarians are such nice reasoning people Jim Webster
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 06:59
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"Bob Ward" <bobward@email.com> wrote in message news:jtqevvcgtbsah9ilqc6bhqm503v10tgcla@4ax.com... > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:05:10 -0000, "Jim Webster" > <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote: > > >> The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". > > > >most vegetarians do actually, most of my best customers for beef are lapsed > >vegetarians > > Do they wear a badge of some kind? don't need to, I know them all. We have a bullock killed and butched and is then divided into eight identical boxes. I then deliver the box to the house of the customer to putting in their deep freeze. Hence I know and chat, often at length over a coffee, to every customer Jim Webster >
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Zakhar"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:25
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:25
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"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message news:bt8f6q$34v$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message > news:b026bbaac1fecbd5e4681c5cb6062e61@news.teranews.com... > > snip > > > > > actually the proportion of vegetarians in the UK who have developed > > > nvCJD > > > > is > > > > > about the same as the proportion they form of the population., > > > > > > > > Crap. > > > > > > > > The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". > > > > > > most vegetarians do actually, > > > > That would be lying meat eaters who call themselves vegetarian, actually. > > > > >most of my best customers for beef are lapsed > > > vegetarians. > > > > You are a twat. > > nice to see vegetarians are such nice reasoning people > Thanks, and tell it like it is.
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Zakhar"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:31
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"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message news:bt8f89$34v$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Bob Ward" <bobward@email.com> wrote in message > news:jtqevvcgtbsah9ilqc6bhqm503v10tgcla@4ax.com... > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:05:10 -0000, "Jim Webster" > > <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote: > > > > >> The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". > > > > > >most vegetarians do actually, most of my best customers for beef are > lapsed > > >vegetarians > > > > Do they wear a badge of some kind? > > don't need to, I know them all. We have a bullock killed and butched and is > then divided into eight identical boxes. I then deliver the box to the house > of the customer to putting in their deep freeze. Hence I know and chat, > often at length over a coffee, to every customer So you're a van driver. How many customers are your best customers and how many of those are lapsed vegetarians? > > Jim Webster > > > >
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:05
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:05
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"Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message news:6c0d63c984cf18e486f8652d8555ad6e@news.teranews.com... > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:bt8f6q$34v$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > "Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message > > news:b026bbaac1fecbd5e4681c5cb6062e61@news.teranews.com... > > > > snip > > > > > > > actually the proportion of vegetarians in the UK who have > developed > > > > nvCJD > > > > > is > > > > > > about the same as the proportion they form of the population., > > > > > > > > > > Crap. > > > > > > > > > > The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate > meat". > > > > > > > > most vegetarians do actually, > > > > > > That would be lying meat eaters who call themselves vegetarian, > actually. > > > > > > >most of my best customers for beef are lapsed > > > > vegetarians. > > > > > > You are a twat. > > > > nice to see vegetarians are such nice reasoning people > > > > Thanks, and tell it like it is. all beans and wind > >
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:06
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:06
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"Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message news:805b1938b20c5396bfb637628dbb6532@news.teranews.com... > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:bt8f89$34v$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > "Bob Ward" <bobward@email.com> wrote in message > > news:jtqevvcgtbsah9ilqc6bhqm503v10tgcla@4ax.com... > > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:05:10 -0000, "Jim Webster" > > > <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > >> The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate meat". > > > > > > > >most vegetarians do actually, most of my best customers for beef are > > lapsed > > > >vegetarians > > > > > > Do they wear a badge of some kind? > > > > don't need to, I know them all. We have a bullock killed and butched and > is > > then divided into eight identical boxes. I then deliver the box to the > house > > of the customer to putting in their deep freeze. Hence I know and chat, > > often at length over a coffee, to every customer > > So you're a van driver. How many customers are your best customers and how > many of those are lapsed vegetarians? pay attention at the back Jim Webster
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Zakhar"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:31
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"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message news:bt938i$ga2$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message > news:805b1938b20c5396bfb637628dbb6532@news.teranews.com... > > > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:bt8f89$34v$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > > > "Bob Ward" <bobward@email.com> wrote in message > > > news:jtqevvcgtbsah9ilqc6bhqm503v10tgcla@4ax.com... > > > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:05:10 -0000, "Jim Webster" > > > > <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate > meat". > > > > > > > > > >most vegetarians do actually, most of my best customers for beef are > > > lapsed > > > > >vegetarians > > > > > > > > Do they wear a badge of some kind? > > > > > > don't need to, I know them all. We have a bullock killed and butched and > > is > > > then divided into eight identical boxes. I then deliver the box to the > > house > > > of the customer to putting in their deep freeze. Hence I know and chat, > > > often at length over a coffee, to every customer > > > > So you're a van driver. How many customers are your best customers and how > > many of those are lapsed vegetarians? > > pay attention at the back Wanker. (I know the truth hurts, but you are a wanker). I'll assume, as you won't tell me that all eight (what a thriving van driving round you have) are your best customers, and that means that at least 5 are elapsed vegetarians, I'll assume five, as you won't tell me. So using those assumptions, you know at least five vegetarians that you deliver 1/8 of a cow to. You're full of shit little van driver jimmy.
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 15:07
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"Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message news:AuVJb.8929$tQ6.100880@wards.force9.net... > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:bt938i$ga2$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > "Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message > > news:805b1938b20c5396bfb637628dbb6532@news.teranews.com... > > > > > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > > > news:bt8f89$34v$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > > > > > "Bob Ward" <bobward@email.com> wrote in message > > > > news:jtqevvcgtbsah9ilqc6bhqm503v10tgcla@4ax.com... > > > > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:05:10 -0000, "Jim Webster" > > > > > <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> The one so called 'vegetarian' who got nvCJD "occasionally ate > > meat". > > > > > > > > > > > >most vegetarians do actually, most of my best customers for beef > are > > > > lapsed > > > > > >vegetarians > > > > > > > > > > Do they wear a badge of some kind? > > > > > > > > don't need to, I know them all. We have a bullock killed and butched > and > > > is > > > > then divided into eight identical boxes. I then deliver the box to the > > > house > > > > of the customer to putting in their deep freeze. Hence I know and > chat, > > > > often at length over a coffee, to every customer > > > > > > So you're a van driver. How many customers are your best customers and > how > > > many of those are lapsed vegetarians? > > > > pay attention at the back > > Wanker. (I know the truth hurts, but you are a wanker). > > I'll assume, as you won't tell me that all eight (what a thriving van > driving > round you have) are your best customers, and that means that at least 5 are > elapsed vegetarians, I'll assume five, as you won't tell me. > > So using those assumptions, you know at least five vegetarians that you > deliver 1/8 of a cow to. You're full of shit little van driver jimmy. OK, a comprehension test Which part of the phrase used above We have a bullock killed and butched Do you relate to the driving of motor vehicle. As for the rest of your comments, it is your sense of personal inadequacy that makes you resort to personal insult or merely lack of vocabulary? Jim Webster
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Zakhar"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:50
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Repost - Server probs? "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message news:bt9b1c$lv0$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > "Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message > news:AuVJb.8929$tQ6.100880@wards.force9.net... > > snip > > > > > > > > > > don't need to, I know them all. We have a bullock killed and butched > > and > > > > is > > > > > then divided into eight identical boxes. I then deliver the box to > the > > > > house > > > > > of the customer to putting in their deep freeze. Hence I know and > > chat, > > > > > often at length over a coffee, to every customer > > > > > > > > So you're a van driver. How many customers are your best customers and > > how > > > > many of those are lapsed vegetarians? > > > > > > pay attention at the back > > > > Wanker. (I know the truth hurts, but you are a wanker). > > > > I'll assume, as you won't tell me that all eight (what a thriving van > > driving > > round you have) are your best customers, and that means that at least 5 > are > > elapsed vegetarians, I'll assume five, as you won't tell me. > > > > So using those assumptions, you know at least five vegetarians that you > > deliver 1/8 of a cow to. You're full of shit little van driver jimmy. > > OK, a comprehension test > > Which part of the phrase used above > > We have a bullock killed and butched You're repeating yourself. > > Do you relate to the driving of motor vehicle. The "I then deliver the box to the house of the customer" part. I made the assumption that you don't deliver cow parts by unicycle or skateboard. > > As for the rest of your comments, it is your sense of personal inadequacy > that makes you resort to personal insult or merely lack of vocabulary? No, just your lack of ability in answering a straight question, and your transparent bull-shitting about "most of your best customers are lapsed vegetarians". You're full of shit, little van driver jimmy. > > Jim Webster > >
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:57
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:57
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"Zakhar" <tkkomtgsxlhwxf@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:J9_Jb.9096$tQ6.104520@wards.force9.net... > Repost - Server probs? no, you just cannot hack it > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:bt9b1c$lv0$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > > > "Zakhar" <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> wrote in message > > news:AuVJb.8929$tQ6.100880@wards.force9.net... > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't need to, I know them all. We have a bullock killed and > butched > > > and > > > > > is > > > > > > then divided into eight identical boxes. I then deliver the box to > > the > > > > > house > > > > > > of the customer to putting in their deep freeze. Hence I know and > > > chat, > > > > > > often at length over a coffee, to every customer > > > > > > > > > > So you're a van driver. How many customers are your best customers > and > > > how > > > > > many of those are lapsed vegetarians? > > > > > > > > pay attention at the back > > > > > > Wanker. (I know the truth hurts, but you are a wanker). > > > > > > I'll assume, as you won't tell me that all eight (what a thriving van > > > driving > > > round you have) are your best customers, and that means that at least 5 > > are > > > elapsed vegetarians, I'll assume five, as you won't tell me. > > > > > > So using those assumptions, you know at least five vegetarians that you > > > deliver 1/8 of a cow to. You're full of shit little van driver jimmy. > > > > OK, a comprehension test > > > > Which part of the phrase used above > > > > We have a bullock killed and butched > > You're repeating yourself. > > > > > Do you relate to the driving of motor vehicle. > > The "I then deliver the box to the house of the customer" part. I made the > assumption that you don't deliver cow parts by unicycle or skateboard. > > > > > As for the rest of your comments, it is your sense of personal inadequacy > > that makes you resort to personal insult or merely lack of vocabulary? > > No, just your lack of ability in answering a straight question, and your > transparent bull-shitting about "most of your best customers are lapsed > vegetarians". > > You're full of shit, little van driver jimmy. > more personal insult, the usual content free rubbish given the vegetarian diet, the insult "full of shit" seems misplaced but highly amusing
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Zakhar"
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:17
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:17
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"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message news:bt9rc2$2ps$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Zakhar" <tkkomtgsxlhwxf@mailinator.com> wrote in message > news:J9_Jb.9096$tQ6.104520@wards.force9.net... snip > > > > > > OK, a comprehension test > > > > > > Which part of the phrase used above > > > > > > We have a bullock killed and butched > > > > You're repeating yourself. > > > > > > > > Do you relate to the driving of motor vehicle. > > > > The "I then deliver the box to the house of the customer" part. I made the > > assumption that you don't deliver cow parts by unicycle or skateboard. No answer little van driver jimmy? I think you need the comprehension / memory test. > > > > > > > > As for the rest of your comments, it is your sense of personal > inadequacy > > > that makes you resort to personal insult or merely lack of vocabulary? > > > > No, just your lack of ability in answering a straight question, and your > > transparent bull-shitting about "most of your best customers are lapsed > > vegetarians". > > > > You're full of shit, little van driver jimmy. > > > > more personal insult, the usual content free rubbish Not an insult, but a truthful observation. - You ARE full of shit. You lied about "most of your best customers are lapsed vegetarians". You drive a van delivering bits of cow to eight people. LOL.
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: Oz
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:34
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:34
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Zakhar <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> writes >Wanker. (I know the truth hurts, but you are a wanker). > >I'll assume, as you won't tell me that all eight (what a thriving van >driving >round you have) are your best customers, and that means that at least 5 are >elapsed vegetarians, I'll assume five, as you won't tell me. > >So using those assumptions, you know at least five vegetarians that you >deliver 1/8 of a cow to. You're full of shit little van driver jimmy. <yawn> So who has been rattling your cage .... -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. DEMON address no longer in use.
Re: Mad Cow Variant That Hits Humans Is a Puzzle
Author: "Jim Webster"
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:52
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:52
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"Oz" <acoohdb@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:Zp0ZieBjMK+$EwUZ@btopenworld.com... > Zakhar <DoNotUse@00dgdgper.com> writes > >Wanker. (I know the truth hurts, but you are a wanker). > > > >I'll assume, as you won't tell me that all eight (what a thriving van > >driving > >round you have) are your best customers, and that means that at least 5 are > >elapsed vegetarians, I'll assume five, as you won't tell me. > > > >So using those assumptions, you know at least five vegetarians that you > >deliver 1/8 of a cow to. You're full of shit little van driver jimmy. > > <yawn> > > So who has been rattling your cage .... he's just one of the loonies from alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian so I cut the cross posts Jim Webster
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