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Sandy E. Barnes wrote:
> Matchpoints
> Vul: Both
>
> You Hold:    Auction
> KJT2                          P (P)
> T965          P    (1D) 1H (1S)
> J6              2H  (3D) P   (P)
> A52           3H   (P)  P  (4C)
>                  ?

I have rewritten this, as it is difficult to read auctions in which
RHO's bid is to the left of LHO's

>
> What call do you make?
>
> Comments on the auction?
>
> Sandy Barnes

Dave Flower

Sandy E. Barnes wrote:
> Matchpoints
> Vul: Both
>
> You Hold:    Auction
> KJT2          P   (P) P  (1D)
> T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
> J6            P   (P) 3H  (P)
> A52           P  (4C) ?
>
> What call do you make?

I pass for the moment, but I certainly intend to get a complete review
of the auction with inflections later.   For the moment, however, I
don't see the auction ending at 4C.  I also would like an idea of what
the opponents' convention card looks like and who the hell my partner
is, because this auction is busted.

At Matchpoints, it is a mistake to double on a busted auction.  There is
no need to ice a bottom or top and there is always the possibility that
doubling will turn a bottom into a top.

Bob

"Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Matchpoints
> Vul: Both
>
> You Hold:    Auction
> KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
> T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
> J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
> A52           P  (4C) ?
>
> What call do you make?

Pass.
>
> Comments on the auction?

I would have bid, or seriously considered at least, perhaps not in these
colors opposite passed parter, 2S the first time supporting hearts, since I
was going to compete to 3H anyway and this is close to limit raise. 2H raise
could have been a much poorer hand with less offense and less defense.


> Sandy Barnes
>
>

"Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Matchpoints
> Vul: Both
>
> You Hold:    Auction
> KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
> T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
> J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
> A52           P  (4C) ?
>
> What call do you make?
>
> Comments on the auction?

Your spades are well placed behind the spade bidder, you have no wasted D
values so your partner may have well placed values there, and you have 4
trumps and max points for previous action.

On balance I think 3H was making even if partner is weak so we probably have
a bad score coming if 4C makes or goes 1 off or they correct to 4D-1.

Hence I double, then partner can double if they run to 4D and if that leads
to 4S Xmas has come early.  If they run to 4D and partner passes I leave it.
If they make 4C* then I think I was on to a bad score anyway and I am
gaining more from when it is right to double than I lose when it is wrong.

Sandy E. Barnes wrote:
> Matchpoints
> Vul: Both
>
> You Hold:    Auction
> KJT2           P   (P)    P    (1D)
> T965           1H (1S)   2H  (3D)
> J6               P   (P)    3H  (P)
> A52            P    (4C) ?
>
> What call do you make?

Pass.

RHO should be 5-5 or 5-6 in the black suits to bid this way. LHO rates
to be something like: 1-3-7-2, 1-3-6-3, or 1-4-6-2. So we don't rate to
take many major suit tricks, and there is no reason why partner could
not hold: xxx, AKxxx, xxx, xx for his passed hand overcall. Double is
far too risky.


> Comments on the auction?

I don't care for 2H. If the hand is worth competing to 3H later, then
it is worth doing more than 2H at your first opportunity. There are
three reasonable calls to consider:
*  limit raise ( a little light, but acceptable)
*  mixed raise (right on shape and values)
*  preemptive raise (heavy on values, but the most effective tactical
call)

Since partner is a passed hand, I like the heavy "preemptive" raise to
3H. Opposite a passed hand, we don't rate to make a game and 3H is
maximally obstructive. LHO may have a tough time competing over 3H.

My second choice is a mixed raise, if playing that convention. The only
downside is a 3D cuebid would give LHO the chance to double to show
extra diamond length.

My third choice is a limit raise. You are on the light side, but not
much bad can come of it given that partner is a passed hand. If I had
no way to show a mixed raise, showing a limit raise with 4 trumps would
be an acceptable alternative.

My fourth choice is 2H followed by pass--at least this has a winning
case when partner's hand is unsuitable for competition. Any of these
sequences are better than 2H followed by 3H.


Andrew

Sandy E. Barnes wrote:
> Matchpoints
> Vul: Both
>
> You Hold:    Auction
> KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
> T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
> J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
> A52           P  (4C) ?
>
> What call do you make?

I would make a match point double.
Surely, I bid 3H at this vul as a make.
RHO seems to think 3H is a make.
RHO is making a total guess at this point with his 4C bid.
If he guessed right, our side is getting a lousy board anyway.
But by doubling I want to make sure our side gets our maximum in case
RHO guessed wrong.
By not doubling 4C, 4C down one undoubled is not going to be a very
good result for us if 3H is making.




>
> Comments on the auction?

With both partner and myself as passed hands, I would have stuck it to
the opponents earlier with a 3H raise.

Eric Leong


>
> Sandy Barnes

"Kieran Dyke" <tiggrr@idx.com.au> wrote in message news:439614e2@news1...
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> "raija d" <mustikka@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> "Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:X6qdnRUmKOhZ1QjenZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > Matchpoints
>> > Vul: Both
>> >
>> > You Hold:    Auction
>> > KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
>> > T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
>> > J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
>> > A52           P  (4C) ?
>> >
>> > What call do you make?
>>
>> Pass.
>> >
>> > Comments on the auction?
>>
>> I would have bid, or seriously considered at least, perhaps not in these
>> colors opposite passed parter, 2S the first time supporting hearts, since
> I
>> was going to compete to 3H anyway and this is close to limit raise. 2H
> raise
>> could have been a much poorer hand with less offense and less defense.
>>
>
> Whether this is close to a limit raise is irrelevant. Partner has passed,
> you've passed, who's inviting game?

That consideration is not primary for me (to reach game) when we are both
passed hands, but to let partner in on the secret that I have a decent hand
offensively AND defensively.  I can construct some overcall hands for
partner that he will not open but will overcall, that produce game.   Like
xx-AQxxx-xxx-Kxx, xx-AQxxx-xxx-KJ10x,  or some such where game is not an
impossibility.


 >
> Tiggrr
>>
>> > Sandy Barnes
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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>
> Sandy E. Barnes wrote:
>> Matchpoints
>> Vul: Both
>>
>> You Hold:    Auction
>> KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
>> T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
>> J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
>> A52           P  (4C) ?
>>
>> What call do you make?
>
> I would make a match point double.
> Surely, I bid 3H at this vul as a make.
> RHO seems to think 3H is a make.
> RHO is making a total guess at this point with his 4C bid.
> If he guessed right, our side is getting a lousy board anyway.
> But by doubling I want to make sure our side gets our maximum in case
> RHO guessed wrong.
> By not doubling 4C, 4C down one undoubled is not going to be a very
> good result for us if 3H is making.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Comments on the auction?
>
> With both partner and myself as passed hands, I would have stuck it to
> the opponents earlier with a 3H raise.
>
> Eric Leong
>
>
>>
>> Sandy Barnes

This is really the question, were we making 3H?  It is close in that regard.
Opposite good hearts, you may have only 8 tricks.  give partner :
XXX
KQJXX
KXX
XX

and this would be a reasonable overcall.  Here we are not making 3H, and our
defense to 4C is questionable, requiring 2-2 hearts to have any chance.  As
it was, we were beating 4C by 1 trick only, and that because hearts went
2-2.  Double was the winning action, partner actually holding:
XX                                   Dummy: XX
Declarer: AQXXX
KQJXX                                         AX
XX
KXXX                                           AQTXXX
X
XX                                                KQX
JT98X

Sandy Barnes

"Kieran Dyke" <tiggrr@idx.com.au> wrote in message news:4396467d@news1...
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> "raija d" <mustikka@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> "Kieran Dyke" <tiggrr@idx.com.au> wrote in message news:439614e2@news1...
>> >
>> > "raija d" <mustikka@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> >> "Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:X6qdnRUmKOhZ1QjenZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> > Matchpoints
>> >> > Vul: Both
>> >> >
>> >> > You Hold:    Auction
>> >> > KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
>> >> > T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
>> >> > J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
>> >> > A52           P  (4C) ?
>> >> >
>> >> > What call do you make?
>> >>
>> >> Pass.
>> >> >
>> >> > Comments on the auction?
>> >>
>> >> I would have bid, or seriously considered at least, perhaps not in
> these
>> >> colors opposite passed parter, 2S the first time supporting hearts,
> since
>> > I
>> >> was going to compete to 3H anyway and this is close to limit raise. 2H
>> > raise
>> >> could have been a much poorer hand with less offense and less defense.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Whether this is close to a limit raise is irrelevant. Partner has
> passed,
>> > you've passed, who's inviting game?
>>
>> That consideration is not primary for me (to reach game) when we are both
>> passed hands, but to let partner in on the secret that I have a decent
> hand
>> offensively AND defensively.  I can construct some overcall hands for
>> partner that he will not open but will overcall, that produce game.
>> Like
>> xx-AQxxx-xxx-Kxx, xx-AQxxx-xxx-KJ10x,  or some such where game is not an
>> impossibility.
>>
>
> Hmm...good game contracts you're aspiring to reach - off AKA on the top,
> and
> with a trump finesse, trump break, spade guess and potentially club guess.

I did not say aspiring. Nor did I mean aspiring.
But if it SHOULD happen to be on, partner will never go over a simple 2H
call whereas knowing I have four trumps and a goodish hand should be helpful
to partner.

>
> Tiggrr
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>>  >
>> > Tiggrr
>> >>
>> >> > Sandy Barnes
>> >> >
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>
>

"Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> wrote:
> Matchpoints
> Vul: Both
>
> You Hold:    Auction
> KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
> T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
> J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
> A52           P  (4C) ?
>
> What call do you make?

Partner is a passed hand, thus I pass.


Thomas

"raija d" <mustikka@charter.net> wrote in message
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> "Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:X6qdnRUmKOhZ1QjenZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Matchpoints
> > Vul: Both
> >
> > You Hold:    Auction
> > KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
> > T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
> > J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
> > A52           P  (4C) ?
> >
> > What call do you make?
>
> Pass.
> >
> > Comments on the auction?
>
> I would have bid, or seriously considered at least, perhaps not in these
> colors opposite passed parter, 2S the first time supporting hearts, since
I
> was going to compete to 3H anyway and this is close to limit raise. 2H
raise
> could have been a much poorer hand with less offense and less defense.
>

Whether this is close to a limit raise is irrelevant. Partner has passed,
you've passed, who's inviting game?

Tiggrr
>
> > Sandy Barnes
> >
> >
>
>

2H is a bad call since it is unlikely to end the auction.
3H would have silenced opposition most likely or at least
given them the last guess.

So now *you* have the last guess.

Opponents could have a double fit in the minors...
or not...

If you had bid 3H earilier, you might have tried a cooperative double
here with more
confidence.

Now, I will try one, but with less confidence that partner will be able
to make
the right decision.

> This is really the question, were we making 3H?

If you bid it, you expected it to make.  You gave the opponents maximum
leeway
to double you.  So you must base all future bidding decisions on the
assumption you
bid 3H to make.

"raija d" <mustikka@charter.net> wrote in message
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> "Kieran Dyke" <tiggrr@idx.com.au> wrote in message news:439614e2@news1...
> >
> > "raija d" <mustikka@charter.net> wrote in message
> > news:d8llf.9326$SJ6.2535@fe04.lga...
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> >> "Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:X6qdnRUmKOhZ1QjenZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > Matchpoints
> >> > Vul: Both
> >> >
> >> > You Hold:    Auction
> >> > KJT2          P (P) P (1D)
> >> > T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
> >> > J6               P   (P) 3H  (P)
> >> > A52           P  (4C) ?
> >> >
> >> > What call do you make?
> >>
> >> Pass.
> >> >
> >> > Comments on the auction?
> >>
> >> I would have bid, or seriously considered at least, perhaps not in
these
> >> colors opposite passed parter, 2S the first time supporting hearts,
since
> > I
> >> was going to compete to 3H anyway and this is close to limit raise. 2H
> > raise
> >> could have been a much poorer hand with less offense and less defense.
> >>
> >
> > Whether this is close to a limit raise is irrelevant. Partner has
passed,
> > you've passed, who's inviting game?
>
> That consideration is not primary for me (to reach game) when we are both
> passed hands, but to let partner in on the secret that I have a decent
hand
> offensively AND defensively.  I can construct some overcall hands for
> partner that he will not open but will overcall, that produce game.   Like
> xx-AQxxx-xxx-Kxx, xx-AQxxx-xxx-KJ10x,  or some such where game is not an
> impossibility.
>

Hmm...good game contracts you're aspiring to reach - off AKA on the top, and
with a trump finesse, trump break, spade guess and potentially club guess.

Tiggrr
>
>  >
> > Tiggrr
> >>
> >> > Sandy Barnes
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

"Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Matchpoints
> Vul: Both
>
> You Hold:    Auction
> KJT2          P   (P) P  (1D)
> T965          1H (1S) 2H (3D)
> J6            P   (P) 3H  (P)
> A52           P  (4C) ?
>
> What call do you make?
>
> Comments on the auction?
>
> Sandy Barnes

I pass now, but sharpening my axe.

Gerben