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willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Your partner opens 1C
> Your RHO passes
> You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> Your opponents continue to pass
> Partner rebids 2S
> You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?

3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.

> In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> You bid 4H

Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force. Give
him something like

AQxx
AKx
x
AJxxx

(hardly a maximum) and slam is huge on a diamond lead and on the spade
finesse on a spade lead.

while give him

Axx
AKx
x
AJxxxx

and we have 12 top tricks, while that is not even a the values for a
game force

> Partner bids 6H
> Up to you now.

Get a new partner

Seriously, partner has denied a first round diamond control.
Or possibly he can't believe you can have a hand this good for your 4H
bid.

>



> Will in New Haven

willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Your partner opens 1C
> Your RHO passes
> You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> Your opponents continue to pass
> Partner rebids 2S
> You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> You bid 4H
> Partner bids 6H
> Up to you now.
>
> Will in New Haven

As you just only raise 6 to 7 once with a partner (on what will have
been the last board of your partnership), basically we have 2 choices
now, Pass and 6NT.

1C - 1H
2S - 3C (my choice, why be vague if you have something to show)
3H - 4H
6H - ?

I think I should pass now, one of partner's controls in the pointy
suits might well be a shortness only, in which case I will look silly
after I correct to 6NT.

Gerben

Gerben Dirksen wrote:
> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
> >
> > Will in New Haven
>
> As you just only raise 6 to 7 once with a partner (on what will have
> been the last board of your partnership), basically we have 2 choices
> now, Pass and 6NT.
>
> 1C - 1H
> 2S - 3C (my choice, why be vague if you have something to show)
> 3H - 4H
> 6H - ?
>
> I think I should pass now, one of partner's controls in the pointy
> suits might well be a shortness only, in which case I will look silly
> after I correct to 6NT.
>
> Gerben

Oops of course partner can be short in diamonds only, and he will be!
In which case 6NT is out which was my point. Pass

Gerben

<willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133887341.556533.47980@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Your partner opens 1C
> Your RHO passes
> You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> Your opponents continue to pass
> Partner rebids 2S
> You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> You bid 4H
> Partner bids 6H
> Up to you now.
>
> Will in New Haven

I have no decision.  Pass.  I'm assuming that you rebid 3C, since 3D makes
no sense at all.  Clearly the club KQX are huge cards, and, if I had not bid
3C earlier, they would be worth a raise to 7H.  But, since I bid 3C, are
they enough?  I think not.

Sandy Barnes

Frances wrote:
> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
>
> 3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.
>
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
>
> Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force. Give
> him something like
>
> AQxx
> AKx
> x
> AJxxx
>
> (hardly a maximum) and slam is huge on a diamond lead and on the spade
> finesse on a spade lead.
>
> while give him
>
> Axx
> AKx
> x
> AJxxxx
>
> and we have 12 top tricks, while that is not even a the values for a
> game force

Well, the person with the hand in question is not an expert or even a
very good player. What is your slam move over 3H, and I agree you
should make on.

>
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
>
> Get a new partner
>
> Seriously, partner has denied a first round diamond control.
> Or possibly he can't believe you can have a hand this good for your 4H
> bid.

Possibly so. Where and when he denied first-round Diamond control, I
don't know. Maybe he has too MUCH to show one feature at a time.

Or maybe he figures you can look at your hand and bid seven opposite:

AQX-AKX-A-AXXXXX

Just how do you bid all those control?. Are the Queen of Hearts and the
Club honors not golden? Did responder show anything like three
important cards earlier in the auction?

I guess it IS a problem.

Anyone who opens 2C with is primary suit a Minor A22222 should get to
seven, except that the rest of the field did open 2C and most of them
played games and one played 6C. Weak field but no one bid the grand or
even 6NT.

Will in New Haven

--

All change for round six; slow pairs please go home.

Gerben Dirksen wrote:
> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
> >
> > Will in New Haven
>
> As you just only raise 6 to 7 once with a partner (on what will have
> been the last board of your partnership),

Sometimes it can be right to raise 6 to 7, but not usually in an
uncontested auction.

Frances wrote:
> Gerben Dirksen wrote:
> > willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> > >
> > > Your partner opens 1C
> > > Your RHO passes
> > > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > > Your opponents continue to pass
> > > Partner rebids 2S
> > > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > > You bid 4H
> > > Partner bids 6H
> > > Up to you now.
> > >
> > > Will in New Haven
> >
> > As you just only raise 6 to 7 once with a partner (on what will have
> > been the last board of your partnership),
>
> Sometimes it can be right to raise 6 to 7, but not usually in an
> uncontested auction.

What if you failed to show anything on previous rounds? Sandy Barnes
feels that the 3C bid showed Club values. If so, does it deny Hearts as
bad as XXXXX? I think the seven bid is clear. However, I would have
moved over 3H, so I don't have the problem.

Will in New Haven

willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> Frances wrote:
> > willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> > >
> > > Your partner opens 1C
> > > Your RHO passes
> > > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > > Your opponents continue to pass
> > > Partner rebids 2S
> > > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> >
> > 3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.
> >
> > > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > > You bid 4H
> >
> > Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force.
<snip>

>
> Well, the person with the hand in question is not an expert or even a
> very good player. What is your slam move over 3H, and I agree you
> should make on.
>

4C.  3C the round before didn't show clubs as good as this, and these
are likely to be key.

> >
> > > Partner bids 6H
> > > Up to you now.
> >
> > Get a new partner
> >
> > Seriously, partner has denied a first round diamond control.
> > Or possibly he can't believe you can have a hand this good for your 4H
> > bid.
>
> Possibly so. Where and when he denied first-round Diamond control, I
> don't know.

By not cue-bidding over 4H

> Maybe he has too MUCH to show one feature at a time.
>
> Or maybe he figures you can look at your hand and bid seven opposite:
>
> AQX-AKX-A-AXXXXX
>
> Just how do you bid all those control?. Are the Queen of Hearts and the
> Club honors not golden? Did responder show anything like three
> important cards earlier in the auction?

No he didn't. But I think it's wrong to guess now having mis-bid
earlier.
I don't think telling partner he's wrong not to raise 6H to 7H is
correct; I think educating partner about evaluating his 'golden' cards
earlier in the auction would help.

>
> I guess it IS a problem.
>

Yes, but it's a problem from an earlier round of the auction.
How do you know partner doesn't have

AKQ AKJ x Axxxxx ?

> Anyone who opens 2C with is primary suit a Minor A22222 should get to
> seven, except that the rest of the field did open 2C and most of them
> played games and one played 6C. Weak field but no one bid the grand or
> even 6NT.
>
> Will in New Haven
>
> --
>
> All change for round six; slow pairs please go home.

<willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Your partner opens 1C
> Your RHO passes
> You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> Your opponents continue to pass
> Partner rebids 2S
> You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> You bid 4H
> Partner bids 6H
> Up to you now.
>
> Will in New Haven

I think 2S should be treated as if it had been a 'reverse' although
technically it is opener's jump shift. Opener has longer clubs than spades
and a practically gameforcing hand. Or is this 100% gameforce?

If treated as a reverse, then 3C is forcing and that is my call.  If
gameforce, 3C is my call since other calls take up a lot of room and KQx
support for partner's suit should not be hidden any longer.  3D (as OP)
suggests makes no sense to me at all since if opener had diamonds stopped,
it means he has a likely singleton heart and club slam is much better than
trying for 3NT.

If opener rebid 3H over 3D, I am still bidding 4C. No reason to hide
magnificent support for partner's suit.  Would opener bid 3H over a 3C call
as well?

willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Your partner opens 1C
> Your RHO passes
> You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> Your opponents continue to pass
> Partner rebids 2S
> You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?

3C. Failing to show club support would be an error.


> In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> You bid 4H

Not thrilled with this choice.You have decent slam potential.
Partner could hold: AKxx, AKx, x, Axxxx
I'd rather bid 4C.


> Partner bids 6H
> Up to you now.

7H.

Andrew

Bob Lipton wrote:
> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
>
>
> I bid 7C.
>
> First, we know that partner has a void.  It must be in hearts, since he
> did not cuebid diamonds. Given that you have bid as if you hold
>
> xxx KQJx xxx xxx, partner's leap to 6H must be on something like
>
> AKQxx - AK AJTxxx

You think partner has a void in hearts? After she supported hearts on
the third round of the auction?  Bob, what are they putting in your
Ovaltine at the old people's home?


Andrew

Frances wrote:
> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Frances wrote:
> > > willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> > > >
> > > > Your partner opens 1C
> > > > Your RHO passes
> > > > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > > > Your opponents continue to pass
> > > > Partner rebids 2S
> > > > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > >
> > > 3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.
> > >
> > > > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > > > You bid 4H
> > >
> > > Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force.
> <snip>
>
> >
> > Well, the person with the hand in question is not an expert or even a
> > very good player. What is your slam move over 3H, and I agree you
> > should make on.
> >
>
> 4C.  3C the round before didn't show clubs as good as this, and these
> are likely to be key.
>
> > >
> > > > Partner bids 6H
> > > > Up to you now.
> > >
> > > Get a new partner
> > >
> > > Seriously, partner has denied a first round diamond control.
> > > Or possibly he can't believe you can have a hand this good for your 4H
> > > bid.
> >
> > Possibly so. Where and when he denied first-round Diamond control, I
> > don't know.
>
> By not cue-bidding over 4H
>
> > Maybe he has too MUCH to show one feature at a time.
> >
> > Or maybe he figures you can look at your hand and bid seven opposite:
> >
> > AQX-AKX-A-AXXXXX
> >
> > Just how do you bid all those control?. Are the Queen of Hearts and the
> > Club honors not golden? Did responder show anything like three
> > important cards earlier in the auction?
>
> No he didn't. But I think it's wrong to guess now having mis-bid
> earlier.
> I don't think telling partner he's wrong not to raise 6H to 7H is
> correct; I think educating partner about evaluating his 'golden' cards
> earlier in the auction would help.
>
> >
> > I guess it IS a problem.
> >
>
> Yes, but it's a problem from an earlier round of the auction.
> How do you know partner doesn't have
>
> AKQ AKJ x Axxxxx ?

Why would partner bid a slam with that hand? Is he really playing us
for three important cards, two key holdings,  when we have not
indicated much strength?

For slam to make opposite that hand, we need all but one of the
following: the Queen of Hearts or extra length, Two Club honors or a
combined Club and Spade holding that can be covered by his honors and a
hand that can find another source of tricks or ruff out the Clubs and
survive, and the Diamond Ace. If we can't run Clubs, we have to ruff
Diamonds with his honors. Is he playing us for QT?

Partner might pass 4H with that hand. Isn't the weaker hand ever
supposed to show some interest?

We have three key honors. I don't think we have indicated having one,
although I would not blame partner for playing us for one.

Will in New Haven

--

All change for round six; slow pairs please go home.

mghmaine wrote:
> <willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1133887341.556533.47980@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
> >
> > Will in New Haven
>
> No, I do not see the problem.  You pass with confidence.  You made no
> misleading bids. I do prefer 3C to 3D, as you have good Cs and are not
> "noncommital."  When pd opens in one suit and jumps in the second, he should
> be long in suit 1.
> Pd has something like AKxx, AKx, x, Axxxx.  If he is balanced, he misbid and
> you can't take care of that.  You did not misbid in any way.
>

Would bidding the exact same way with JXX-XXXXX-KQ-QTX have been wrong?
It seems to me that taking a Club preference and quietly going to game
with that hand would have been fine. Where are your twelve tricks
opposite the hand you posit for partner's jump to six.

Will in New Haven

"mghmaine" <mgh@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob Lipton" <boblipton@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:%sklf.92$i1.88@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>> >
>> > Your partner opens 1C
>> > Your RHO passes
>> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
>> > Your opponents continue to pass
>> > Partner rebids 2S
>> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
>> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
>> > You bid 4H
>> > Partner bids 6H
>> > Up to you now.
>>
>>
>> I bid 7C.
>>
>> First, we know that partner has a void.  It must be in hearts, since he
>> did not cuebid diamonds. Given that you have bid as if you hold
>>
>> xxx KQJx xxx xxx, partner's leap to 6H must be on something like
>>
>> AKQxx - AK AJTxxx
>>
>> Why didn't he bid 5NT over your 3C call?  Because he thought you might
>> take it as pick a slam.
>>
>> If partner doesn't want me to bid the grand, he should have simply
>> invited the small slam.
>>
>> Bob
>
>    Is this in another universe ?  You will be the only one who does not
> think 3H is hearts !  In American standard, opener's j/s is absolutely
> game-forcing.  The 5-0-2-6 hand you fantasize about above has many other
> ways to bid than 3H on a void.
>    The good issue you raise is when a partnership has set a suit (so that
> they can begin slam exploration.  Most would not think 3C sets a suit, as
> opener may have very good H support.  Many slam disasters occur when the
> partnership does not identify or agree when a suit is set.         Sorry,
> but the responder bid his hand correctly in this situation.
>

Assuming he did bid 3C and not 3D. I dont think OP made it clear which was
responder's rebid, 3C or 3D.

>

Frances wrote:
> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
>
> 3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.
>
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
>
> Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force. Give
> him something like
>
> AQxx
> AKx
> x
> AJxxx
>
> (hardly a maximum) and slam is huge on a diamond lead and on the spade
> finesse on a spade lead.
>
> while give him
>
> Axx
> AKx
> x
> AJxxxx
>
> and we have 12 top tricks, while that is not even a the values for a
> game force


The hands you give for partner's possible holding is impossible if you
are playing your partner to be an expert.
In the first hand, S AQxx  H AKx  D x  C AJxxx bidding 6H is a bit
much.
You have have a five loser hand. If partner could cover four losers, he
certainly would have found a stronger bid than making a feeble bid of
4H which can be passed.
On the second hand, S Axx  H AKx   D x   C AJxxxx, bidding 6H on a six
loser hand is even sillier. If partner could cover five losers in your
hand he would definitely find a stronger bid than 4H. In short, leaping
to 6H gambling that partner can cover at least four losers is asking
much from partner especially when he would show some sort of initiative
if he had such a hand.

Also, leaping to 6H with a stiff losing diamond is not wise on the
hands you gave. Certainly, you do not want to be in 6H missing the
diamond ace and the queen of trumps. So why on earth would you bypass
the free opportunity to find out if partner is missing both the queen
of trumps and the diamond ace when you can bid 4NT (RKCB)?
Consequently, partner should have first round control in diamonds and
the only really reason for partner's leap to 6H avoiding 4NT is he has
a void in diamonds.

Now we have to consider if one should bid a grand.
I know partner has exactly three hearts because with four he might have
splintered over my 1H response or he might have bid 4H over my 3C bid.
Certainly, partner must have the spade ace and king, the heart ace and
king, and the club ace because if he was missing any of these honors he
would be gambling with his 6H bid that I have four cover honors since I
know I have three cover honors. An expert partner would not gamble that
you have four cover honors when you bid just 4H. Finally, I think
partner has to have decent club intermediates such as the C J10 etc.
because if I only have one club honor say the queen of clubs at least
the suit can be picked up on a finesse.

Partner's hand has come down to either:

1.  S AKxx   H AKx  D --  C AJ10xxx
2.  S AKx    H AKx  D --  C AJ10xxxx

So if hearts break 3-2, one can count 13 tricks. However, I think the
better bid is to bid 7C. Seven clubs is the safer grand and it well
might make if hearts don't split. Further, most of the field is not
going to be in a grand so being in 7C making should be very close to a
top if not a top even though 7H scores more.

Eric Leong









>
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
>
> Get a new partner
>
> Seriously, partner has denied a first round diamond control.
> Or possibly he can't believe you can have a hand this good for your 4H
> bid.
>
> >
>
>
>
> > Will in New Haven

<willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Your partner opens 1C
> Your RHO passes
> You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> Your opponents continue to pass
> Partner rebids 2S
> You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> You bid 4H
> Partner bids 6H
> Up to you now.
>
> Will in New Haven

No, I do not see the problem.  You pass with confidence.  You made no
misleading bids. I do prefer 3C to 3D, as you have good Cs and are not
"noncommital."  When pd opens in one suit and jumps in the second, he should
be long in suit 1.
Pd has something like AKxx, AKx, x, Axxxx.  If he is balanced, he misbid and
you can't take care of that.  You did not misbid in any way.


>

Bob Lipton wrote:
> agumperz@gmail.com wrote:
> > Bob Lipton wrote:
> >
> >>willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >>>
> >>>Your partner opens 1C
> >>>Your RHO passes
> >>>You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> >>>Your opponents continue to pass
> >>>Partner rebids 2S
> >>>You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> >>>In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> >>>You bid 4H
> >>>Partner bids 6H
> >>>Up to you now.
> >>
> >>
> >>I bid 7C.
> >>
> >>First, we know that partner has a void.  It must be in hearts, since he
> >>did not cuebid diamonds. Given that you have bid as if you hold
> >>
> >>xxx KQJx xxx xxx, partner's leap to 6H must be on something like
> >>
> >>AKQxx - AK AJTxxx
> >
> >
> > You think partner has a void in hearts? After she supported hearts on
> > the third round of the auction?  Bob, what are they putting in your
> > Ovaltine at the old people's home?
>
> Dagnab it, I neverwould have taken part in thoose CIA drug tests except
> for teh money.
>
>
> Partner's void is in diamonds, then, and the question remains:  why
> didn't he bid 5D?  It's cleared he screwed up the auction at some stage,
> but at what stage?  His hand needs to be something pretty much like
>
> AKQx AKx - AJxxxx
>
>
> I have been paying attention to what other people are saying on this
> thread when the flashbacks aren't goiung on -- I should phone my brother
> and ask if we spent the summer in Lemuria in 1967 -- and I am aware that
> there are people who consider  partner's 6H to be a 'shutout bid'.  I
> don't believe in shutout bids, I believe in descriptive bids, and
> partner has described a hand that will make a small slam in hearts
> opposite a dead bang minimum  with wasted points.  Does this describe
>
> AKQx AKJ x AJTxxx?

I agree that partner must have a void. With something like the example
hand, partner would bid Blackwood. Maybe she has this: AKxx, AKxx, --,
Axxxx.

Fred Hamilton once suggested to me that on these powerhouses, it is
better to JS than to make a space-consuming splinter. His argument was
that if you splinter, after partner signs off in 4H, you won't know
whether or not to bid on. If you start with the strong JS, you can hear
more about partner's hand and so will be better placed to decide
whether or not to bid on to the 5-level.


Andrew

Will,
What you are doing when you bid 7C is masterminding the hand.  Trust me you
cannot learn or play bridge that way.  Pd's bid of 6H logically denies the
ability to make 7.  To bid 7H calls him an idiot.  Even if he is one, you
oughtn't do that.
In summary, you bid your hand correctly through 4H and pd, right or wrong,
made a conclusive bid.  That 7H is cold does not make a 7H bid over 6 right,
nor does it make this hand a problem.  It is not a problem, unless just
indicative of the problem of how to bid opposite a poor or inexperienced
partner.  Such problems are trivial to this group.



<willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Frances wrote:
> > Gerben Dirksen wrote:
> > > willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> > > >
> > > > Your partner opens 1C
> > > > Your RHO passes
> > > > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > > > Your opponents continue to pass
> > > > Partner rebids 2S
> > > > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > > > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > > > You bid 4H
> > > > Partner bids 6H
> > > > Up to you now.
> > > >
> > > > Will in New Haven
> > >
> > > As you just only raise 6 to 7 once with a partner (on what will have
> > > been the last board of your partnership),
> >
> > Sometimes it can be right to raise 6 to 7, but not usually in an
> > uncontested auction.
>
> What if you failed to show anything on previous rounds? Sandy Barnes
> feels that the 3C bid showed Club values. If so, does it deny Hearts as
> bad as XXXXX? I think the seven bid is clear. However, I would have
> moved over 3H, so I don't have the problem.
>
> Will in New Haven
>

raija d wrote:
> <willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
> >
> > Will in New Haven
>
> I think 2S should be treated as if it had been a 'reverse' although
> technically it is opener's jump shift. Opener has longer clubs than spades
> and a practically gameforcing hand. Or is this 100% gameforce?

I believe this is normally treated as a 100% game force.  (Relatively
speaking.  A few experts occasionally pass forcing jump shifts when
their first response was a joke.)

However, if memory serves, Jeff Rubens recently argued that opener's
jump shifts to the 2 level (such as this one) ought to be treated more
as reverses than as GF bids.  So your point of view seems to have
merit.  But unless you can find someone else who thinks this way, you
have to treat 2S as an absolute game force.

                               -- Adam

"Bob Lipton" <boblipton@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
>
>
> I bid 7C.
>
> First, we know that partner has a void.  It must be in hearts, since he
> did not cuebid diamonds. Given that you have bid as if you hold
>
> xxx KQJx xxx xxx, partner's leap to 6H must be on something like
>
> AKQxx - AK AJTxxx
>
> Why didn't he bid 5NT over your 3C call?  Because he thought you might
> take it as pick a slam.
>
> If partner doesn't want me to bid the grand, he should have simply
> invited the small slam.
>
> Bob

    Is this in another universe ?  You will be the only one who does not
think 3H is hearts !  In American standard, opener's j/s is absolutely
game-forcing.  The 5-0-2-6 hand you fantasize about above has many other
ways to bid than 3H on a void.
    The good issue you raise is when a partnership has set a suit (so that
they can begin slam exploration.  Most would not think 3C sets a suit, as
opener may have very good H support.  Many slam disasters occur when the
partnership does not identify or agree when a suit is set.         Sorry,
but the responder bid his hand correctly in this situation.

<willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Frances wrote:
>> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>> >
>> > Your partner opens 1C
>> > Your RHO passes
>> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
>> > Your opponents continue to pass
>> > Partner rebids 2S
>> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
>>
>> 3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.
>>
>> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
>> > You bid 4H
>>
>> Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force. Give
>> him something like
>>
>> AQxx
>> AKx
>> x
>> AJxxx
>>
>> (hardly a maximum) and slam is huge on a diamond lead and on the spade
>> finesse on a spade lead.
>>
>> while give him
>>
>> Axx
>> AKx
>> x
>> AJxxxx
>>
>> and we have 12 top tricks, while that is not even a the values for a
>> game force
>
> Well, the person with the hand in question is not an expert or even a
> very good player. What is your slam move over 3H, and I agree you
> should make on.
>
>>
>> > Partner bids 6H
>> > Up to you now.
>>
>> Get a new partner
>>
>> Seriously, partner has denied a first round diamond control.
>> Or possibly he can't believe you can have a hand this good for your 4H
>> bid.
>
> Possibly so. Where and when he denied first-round Diamond control, I
> don't know. Maybe he has too MUCH to show one feature at a time.
>
> Or maybe he figures you can look at your hand and bid seven opposite:
>

 AQX-AKX-A-AXXXXX

*******
After 3H - 4H, he would bid 4NT (RKCB), followed by 5D over your 5C,
followed by 7H over your 6C (club king and heart queen).
 ******

> Just how do you bid all those control?. Are the Queen of Hearts and the
> Club honors not golden? Did responder show anything like three
> important cards earlier in the auction?

******
For whatever the reason, he felt that he did not need that information,
therefore did not ask for it, and that he knew enough to place the contract.
******

> I guess it IS a problem.
>
> Anyone who opens 2C with is primary suit a Minor A22222 should get to
> seven, except that the rest of the field did open 2C and most of them
> played games and one played 6C. Weak field but no one bid the grand or
> even 6NT.

******
 The Grand is not all that great, needing the hearts and clubs to come home.
Maybe 68% of 90%.
******

> Will in New Haven
>
> --
>
> All change for round six; slow pairs please go home.
>
>

<willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Frances wrote:
>> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > Frances wrote:
>> > > willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > > > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>> > > >
>> > > > Your partner opens 1C
>> > > > Your RHO passes
>> > > > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
>> > > > Your opponents continue to pass
>> > > > Partner rebids 2S
>> > > > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
>> > >
>> > > 3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.
>> > >
>> > > > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
>> > > > You bid 4H
>> > >
>> > > Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force.
>> <snip>
>>
>> >
>> > Well, the person with the hand in question is not an expert or even a
>> > very good player. What is your slam move over 3H, and I agree you
>> > should make on.
>> >
>>
>> 4C.  3C the round before didn't show clubs as good as this, and these
>> are likely to be key.
>>
>> > >
>> > > > Partner bids 6H
>> > > > Up to you now.
>> > >
>> > > Get a new partner
>> > >
>> > > Seriously, partner has denied a first round diamond control.
>> > > Or possibly he can't believe you can have a hand this good for your
>> > > 4H
>> > > bid.
>> >
>> > Possibly so. Where and when he denied first-round Diamond control, I
>> > don't know.
>>
>> By not cue-bidding over 4H
>>
>> > Maybe he has too MUCH to show one feature at a time.
>> >
>> > Or maybe he figures you can look at your hand and bid seven opposite:
>> >
>> > AQX-AKX-A-AXXXXX
>> >
>> > Just how do you bid all those control?. Are the Queen of Hearts and the
>> > Club honors not golden? Did responder show anything like three
>> > important cards earlier in the auction?
>>
>> No he didn't. But I think it's wrong to guess now having mis-bid
>> earlier.
>> I don't think telling partner he's wrong not to raise 6H to 7H is
>> correct; I think educating partner about evaluating his 'golden' cards
>> earlier in the auction would help.
>>
>> >
>> > I guess it IS a problem.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, but it's a problem from an earlier round of the auction.
>> How do you know partner doesn't have
>>
>> AKQ AKJ x Axxxxx ?
>
> Why would partner bid a slam with that hand? Is he really playing us
> for three important cards, two key holdings,  when we have not
> indicated much strength?
>
> For slam to make opposite that hand, we need all but one of the
> following: the Queen of Hearts or extra length, Two Club honors or a
> combined Club and Spade holding that can be covered by his honors and a
> hand that can find another source of tricks or ruff out the Clubs and
> survive, and the Diamond Ace. If we can't run Clubs, we have to ruff
> Diamonds with his honors. Is he playing us for QT?
>
> Partner might pass 4H with that hand. Isn't the weaker hand ever
> supposed to show some interest?
>
> We have three key honors. I don't think we have indicated having one,
> although I would not blame partner for playing us for one.

******
When you bid 3C over 2S, you were showing a good hand, advertising those
cards, at least 2 of the 3.  2NT wouldhave been bid with diamond waste.
******

> Will in New Haven
>
> --
>
> All change for round six; slow pairs please go home.
>
>

OOPs, sorry 9 clubs.  This makes the Grand much better, 80 some percent.
(Maybe 95% of 84%)

Sandy Barnes

"Sandy E. Barnes" <sandybarnes007@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> <willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1133889152.499492.251920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Frances wrote:
>>> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>>> >
>>> > Your partner opens 1C
>>> > Your RHO passes
>>> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
>>> > Your opponents continue to pass
>>> > Partner rebids 2S
>>> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
>>>
>>> 3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.
>>>
>>> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
>>> > You bid 4H
>>>
>>> Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force. Give
>>> him something like
>>>
>>> AQxx
>>> AKx
>>> x
>>> AJxxx
>>>
>>> (hardly a maximum) and slam is huge on a diamond lead and on the spade
>>> finesse on a spade lead.
>>>
>>> while give him
>>>
>>> Axx
>>> AKx
>>> x
>>> AJxxxx
>>>
>>> and we have 12 top tricks, while that is not even a the values for a
>>> game force
>>
>> Well, the person with the hand in question is not an expert or even a
>> very good player. What is your slam move over 3H, and I agree you
>> should make on.
>>
>>>
>>> > Partner bids 6H
>>> > Up to you now.
>>>
>>> Get a new partner
>>>
>>> Seriously, partner has denied a first round diamond control.
>>> Or possibly he can't believe you can have a hand this good for your 4H
>>> bid.
>>
>> Possibly so. Where and when he denied first-round Diamond control, I
>> don't know. Maybe he has too MUCH to show one feature at a time.
>>
>> Or maybe he figures you can look at your hand and bid seven opposite:
>>
>
> AQX-AKX-A-AXXXXX
>
> *******
> After 3H - 4H, he would bid 4NT (RKCB), followed by 5D over your 5C,
> followed by 7H over your 6C (club king and heart queen).
> ******
>
>> Just how do you bid all those control?. Are the Queen of Hearts and the
>> Club honors not golden? Did responder show anything like three
>> important cards earlier in the auction?
>
> ******
> For whatever the reason, he felt that he did not need that information,
> therefore did not ask for it, and that he knew enough to place the
> contract.
> ******
>
>> I guess it IS a problem.
>>
>> Anyone who opens 2C with is primary suit a Minor A22222 should get to
>> seven, except that the rest of the field did open 2C and most of them
>> played games and one played 6C. Weak field but no one bid the grand or
>> even 6NT.
>
> ******
> The Grand is not all that great, needing the hearts and clubs to come
> home. Maybe 68% of 90%.
> ******
>
>> Will in New Haven
>>
>> --
>>
>> All change for round six; slow pairs please go home.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Your partner opens 1C
> Your RHO passes
> You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> Your opponents continue to pass
> Partner rebids 2S
> You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> You bid 4H
> Partner bids 6H
> Up to you now.


I bid 7C.

First, we know that partner has a void.  It must be in hearts, since he
did not cuebid diamonds. Given that you have bid as if you hold

xxx KQJx xxx xxx, partner's leap to 6H must be on something like

AKQxx - AK AJTxxx

Why didn't he bid 5NT over your 3C call?  Because he thought you might
take it as pick a slam.

If partner doesn't want me to bid the grand, he should have simply
invited the small slam.

Bob

agumperz@gmail.com wrote:
> Bob Lipton wrote:
>
>>willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>>>
>>>Your partner opens 1C
>>>Your RHO passes
>>>You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
>>>Your opponents continue to pass
>>>Partner rebids 2S
>>>You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
>>>In any case, partner goes to 3H.
>>>You bid 4H
>>>Partner bids 6H
>>>Up to you now.
>>
>>
>>I bid 7C.
>>
>>First, we know that partner has a void.  It must be in hearts, since he
>>did not cuebid diamonds. Given that you have bid as if you hold
>>
>>xxx KQJx xxx xxx, partner's leap to 6H must be on something like
>>
>>AKQxx - AK AJTxxx
>
>
> You think partner has a void in hearts? After she supported hearts on
> the third round of the auction?  Bob, what are they putting in your
> Ovaltine at the old people's home?

Dagnab it, I neverwould have taken part in thoose CIA drug tests except
for teh money.


Partner's void is in diamonds, then, and the question remains:  why
didn't he bid 5D?  It's cleared he screwed up the auction at some stage,
but at what stage?  His hand needs to be something pretty much like

AKQx AKx - AJxxxx


I have been paying attention to what other people are saying on this
thread when the flashbacks aren't goiung on -- I should phone my brother
and ask if we spent the summer in Lemuria in 1967 -- and I am aware that
there are people who consider  partner's 6H to be a 'shutout bid'.  I
don't believe in shutout bids, I believe in descriptive bids, and
partner has described a hand that will make a small slam in hearts
opposite a dead bang minimum  with wasted points.  Does this describe

AKQx AKJ x AJTxxx?


I don't think so. It's still 7C for me.

Bob

ewleongusa@hotmail.com wrote:
> Frances wrote:
> > willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> > >
> > > Your partner opens 1C
> > > Your RHO passes
> > > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > > Your opponents continue to pass
> > > Partner rebids 2S
> > > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> >
> > 3C is obvious. I have huge club support in context.
> >
> > > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > > You bid 4H
> >
> > Do I? Partner has shown a 4315 (possibly 3316/4306) game force. Give
> > him something like
> >
> > AQxx
> > AKx
> > x
> > AJxxx
> >
> > (hardly a maximum) and slam is huge on a diamond lead and on the spade
> > finesse on a spade lead.
> >
> > while give him
> >
> > Axx
> > AKx
> > x
> > AJxxxx
> >
> > and we have 12 top tricks, while that is not even a the values for a
> > game force
>
>
> The hands you give for partner's possible holding is impossible if you
> are playing your partner to be an expert.
> In the first hand, S AQxx  H AKx  D x  C AJxxx bidding 6H is a bit
> much.
> You have have a five loser hand. If partner could cover four losers, he
> certainly would have found a stronger bid than making a feeble bid of
> 4H which can be passed.
> On the second hand, S Axx  H AKx   D x   C AJxxxx, bidding 6H on a six
> loser hand is even sillier.

You misunderstand.  I was quoting those hands to show why simply
bidding 4H the round before is an underbid. They are hands where
partner will pass 4H with slam very good.

> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not

Bidding was fine until 4H.
Your rebid of 4H was a very big underbid.
I would have bid 4C to emphasize the good clubs
  (which would be the key to any grand)

After partner bids 6H, you are stuck with your original underbid.

<willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Your partner opens 1C
> Your RHO passes
> You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> Your opponents continue to pass
> Partner rebids 2S
> You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> You bid 4H
> Partner bids 6H
> Up to you now.
>
> Will in New Haven
>

Who am I opposite? Opposite someone who hasn't figured out that they already
showed the world's fair, I pass and hope to make. When they have a good
hand, partner having an extra king and queen is just expected. Opposite a
sound and intelligent expert I can probably make seven (clubs will sometimes
be safer, but sometimes the diamond ruff is the thirteenth trick), but I
can't believe they would bid so briskly. Opposite an olde-time expert I can
probably bid seven - he didn't blackwood because of his diamond void.

Tiggrr

"mghmaine" <mgh@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
> <willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Your partner opens 1C
> > Your RHO passes
> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
> > Your opponents continue to pass
> > Partner rebids 2S
> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
> > You bid 4H
> > Partner bids 6H
> > Up to you now.
> >
> > Will in New Haven
>
> No, I do not see the problem.  You pass with confidence.  You made no
> misleading bids. I do prefer 3C to 3D, as you have good Cs and are not
> "noncommital."  When pd opens in one suit and jumps in the second, he
should
> be long in suit 1.
> Pd has something like AKxx, AKx, x, Axxxx.  If he is balanced, he misbid
and
> you can't take care of that.  You did not misbid in any way.
>
If he has that, 2S was a mild overbid, and at the point of 3H he had
described every card in his hand plus a jack or two. Where did the leap to
six come from? Did he find some more high cards from a previous deal?

Tiggrr

"mghmaine" <mgh@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> <goffster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>>
>> Bidding was fine until 4H.
>> Your rebid of 4H was a very big underbid.
>> I would have bid 4C to emphasize the good clubs
>>   (which would be the key to any grand)
>>
>> After partner bids 6H, you are stuck with your original underbid.
>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>    This is fine for you to say once you know there is a grand, but it is
> matchpoints and pd has a likely 3 Hs and will think you have 4 if you bid
> 4C.  One key to bidding slams is to settle on a trump suit.
>    Have you ever noticed that people seem to think that unless you overbid
> you have made a "very big underbid?"  Sometimes one has more than the
> minimum for one's bidding.  Since the QJ of Ds may be worthless on this
> auction, you have somewhat more than you may have promised on your
> bidding.
> If partner cares about grand he should allow for that IMO.

I think you are in minority, thinking that 4H was the right call. It was a
bad bid IMO,  both an underbid and misleading, hiding crucial club support
for partner's longest suit.

mghmaine wrote:
> <goffster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
> >
> > Bidding was fine until 4H.
> > Your rebid of 4H was a very big underbid.
> > I would have bid 4C to emphasize the good clubs
> >   (which would be the key to any grand)
> >
> > After partner bids 6H, you are stuck with your original underbid.
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>     This is fine for you to say once you know there is a grand, but it is
> matchpoints and pd has a likely 3 Hs and will think you have 4 if you bid
> 4C.  One key to bidding slams is to settle on a trump suit.
>     Have you ever noticed that people seem to think that unless you overbid
> you have made a "very big underbid?"  Sometimes one has more than the
> minimum for one's bidding.  Since the QJ of Ds may be worthless on this
> auction, you have somewhat more than you may have promised on your bidding.
> If partner cares about grand he should allow for that IMO.

Many people on this thread have partner bidding 6H on something like

AKX-AKJ-X-AXXXXX

That would be suicide if you didn't have all of those Club and Heart
cards. When did you show them or even imply them? 4C over 3H would
temporarily confuse partner about the proper trump suit, and I don't
like to do that, but 4H is the weakest thing you could bid at this
point and you have three important cards when you could have NONE. That
IS a very big underbid. If I were responder, I would think it extremely
likely that there was a slam at that point and I would rather bid the
damn thing myself than bid the 'begs partner to pass" 4H, although
bidding six would be unsound.

What does everybody think partner's bidding has shown up to the 4H bid,
other than something like that hand up there <pointing> He should damn
well pass 4H with that garbage. Overbidding strong hands and
underbidding the weak hand opposite often does even out but it isn't
the best way to do things.

Will in New Haven

<goffster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>
> Bidding was fine until 4H.
> Your rebid of 4H was a very big underbid.
> I would have bid 4C to emphasize the good clubs
>   (which would be the key to any grand)
>
> After partner bids 6H, you are stuck with your original underbid.
>
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    This is fine for you to say once you know there is a grand, but it is
matchpoints and pd has a likely 3 Hs and will think you have 4 if you bid
4C.  One key to bidding slams is to settle on a trump suit.
    Have you ever noticed that people seem to think that unless you overbid
you have made a "very big underbid?"  Sometimes one has more than the
minimum for one's bidding.  Since the QJ of Ds may be worthless on this
auction, you have somewhat more than you may have promised on your bidding.
If partner cares about grand he should allow for that IMO.

<willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote

> What if you failed to show anything on previous rounds? Sandy Barnes
> feels that the 3C bid showed Club values.

++++Why would it? As you pointed out in your original posting, it was
preference. It wasn't support.

"Frances" <fhinden@orange.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> Gerben Dirksen wrote:
>> willreich_77@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > You have XXX-QTXXX-QJ-KQX at Matchpoints, Vulnerable against Not
>> >
>> > Your partner opens 1C
>> > Your RHO passes
>> > You respond 1H (I don't think anyone won't)
>> > Your opponents continue to pass
>> > Partner rebids 2S
>> > You rebid 3C (preference) or 3D (noncommital) which do you prefer?
>> > In any case, partner goes to 3H.
>> > You bid 4H
>> > Partner bids 6H
>> > Up to you now.
>> >
>> > Will in New Haven
>>
>> As you just only raise 6 to 7 once with a partner (on what will have
>> been the last board of your partnership),
>
> Sometimes it can be right to raise 6 to 7, but not usually in an
> uncontested auction.

Yes agree with this. In contested auctions you can raise 6 to 7 sometimes,
but not here.

Gerben

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