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Started by Tod Glenn
Wed, 23 Jun 2004 02:50
XM-8 info
Author: Tod Glenn
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 02:50
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 02:50
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Though this might be of interest to some on the group: ARMY REORGANIZES PLAN TO FIELD NEW FAMILY OF INFANTRY WEAPONS Published By: Inside the Army on 4/12/2004 Author: Jen DiMascio The Army last week decided to reorganize the program developing a successor to the M-4 and M-16 rifles, which will slow fielding of the kinetic energy carbine but speed development of the automatic weapons attachment, according to a service official. The decision comes on the heels of an Army request to Congress for an additional $26 million to purchase 7,000 weapons for two combat brigade teams by September 2005 as part of the services list of unfunded requirements. "This has everything to do with getting a product to the field in FY-05," said Col. Michael Smith, the Armys project manager for soldier weapons. "This is production money theyre asking for." If Congress disregards the Armys request, the program office could still field the weapon in FY-05, but its likely the quantity would be smaller, he said. After an Army review this week, officials decided the XM-8 carbine program should head to a "milestone C" review in February 2005. Initially, officials planned to make a full-rate production decision in September 2004. The Army wants to field the entire family of XM-8 rifles and not just the first three variants -- the compact, the carbine and the sharpshooter. The new schedule accounts for the automatic rifle, which had not been scheduled for fielding until FY-06. Testing was originally planned for spring 2005; now, Smith said he expects to see a prototype of the automatic this summer or early fall and testing to begin this fall. Fielding the XM-8 as a family will enable squads to reconfigure their weapons all at once and eliminate existing inconsistencies that are found in some infantry units, Smith said. Army units currently need three different weapons and manuals. "In other words, except for the barrels and the hand guards, the inner workings of those various weapons -- the XM-8 carbine, sharpshooter and the automatic rifle -- are the same," Smith said. "So you reduce the logistics burden and give [the soldiers] the ability to switch parts around." At this point, the weapons must complete testing. The XM-8 recently underwent cold weather tests in Alaska. Resulting changes are due to appear in a modified rifle this May. The modifications include ergonomic alterations, such as changing button positions on the sight, which will make the weapon more user friendly, as well as performance enhancements, such as extending the life of the battery to 400 hours from 200. While the weapon performed well in cold weather, Smith said he confirmed a problem with the hand guard that appeared in technical testing. During sustained firing, the hand guard could melt, a problem common in small arms development, Smith said. "If you put enough rounds through a weapon, your barrel will go hot. Theres no question about it. It will get very, very hot," he said. The XM-8s hand guard suffered for a few reasons. The XM-8 only transfers heat to the barrel and doesnt transfer any to the receivers. The hand guard is made from a heat-resistant material. The current rifle systems transfer heat to the barrel as well as the receivers, and it contains heat shielding. Similar heat shielding would be a last option for the XM-8, because the technology adds weight, a prospect Smith said he is trying avoid. According to a comparison chart published by contractor Heckler & Koch Defense, Inc., the XM-8 carbine weighs 6.4 pounds but is trying to slim down to 5.7 pounds. The same chart indicates that the M-4 weighs 8.85 pounds. In crafting a new hand guard that will appear on the version released in May, developers will use a different lightweight heat resistant material and change the design. It will be shorter, wider and contain holes to release hot air, Smith said. Another round of tests to monitor the new fixes will follow, along with a late-summer hot weather test in Yuma, AZ. At the same time, Training and Doctrine Command is reviewing and updating the projects requirements and developing a set of tactics, techniques and procedures for the XM-8 family of weapons. During the summer of 2005, a team of officials from program executive office soldier weapons, sustainment specialists from Rock Island, IL, and officers from TRADOC will replace a units weapons, magazines, manuals and accessories with the XM-8 and begin training the soldiers. The process should wrap up in September 2005, Smith said. Although many divisions are calling to see whether they will be picked to receive the weapons first, Smith said the decision has not been made. The only hint is that the test would be conducted on a brigade combat team with a Stryker brigade as one possibility, he said. Copyright Inside the Army: reprinted with permission. www.InsideDefense.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: XM-8 info
Author: snipeunblue@aol.
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:49
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:49
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Damn I hope the Assult weapons ban sunsets and stays dead, then the Government can refurish all those M-16's into semi autos and think about how dirt cheap they will be!!!! Hahahaha Or maybe they can outfit the Iraqi military with them. Snipe ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: XM-8 info
Author: Christopher Mort
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:28
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:28
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:49:04 +0000 (UTC), snipeunblue@aol.com (SnipeUNblue) wrote: # Or maybe they can outfit the Iraqi military with them. Not likely. From what I've heard, Saddam had FAR more AKs than troops to tote them. I don't think anyone even knows just HOW many. -- More blood for oil... in my name! ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: XM-8 info
Author: stans4@prolynx.c
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:25
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:25
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snipeunblue@aol.com (SnipeUNblue) wrote in message news:<cbcfqg$6ik$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>... # Damn I hope the Assult weapons ban sunsets and stays dead, then the Government # can refurish all those M-16's into semi autos and think about how dirt cheap # they will be!!!! Hahahaha # Or maybe they can outfit the Iraqi military with them. # # # Snipe # Once a machinegun, always a machinegun, the BATF's mantra. All those turn-ins are going to Crane for destruction. You'll never, ever see those on the civilian market. Some portion may get diverted to client states, but there's a whale of a lot of M-16s in inventory. Stan ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: XM-8 info
Author: Tiger
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:45
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:45
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Tod Glenn wrote: #Though this might be of interest to some on the group: # # #ARMY REORGANIZES PLAN TO FIELD NEW FAMILY OF INFANTRY WEAPONS #Published By: Inside the Army on 4/12/2004 #Author: Jen DiMascio # # The Army last week decided to reorganize the program developing a #successor to the M-4 and M-16 rifles, which will slow fielding of the #kinetic energy carbine but speed development of the automatic weapons #attachment, according to a service official. # Why are they worrying about rifles when the biggest threat in Iraq is roadside bombs? ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: XM-8 info
Author: stans4@prolynx.c
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:36
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:36
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Tiger <Lana_sands@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<cbkuad$fj$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>... # Tod Glenn wrote: # # #Though this might be of interest to some on the group: # # # # # #ARMY REORGANIZES PLAN TO FIELD NEW FAMILY OF INFANTRY WEAPONS # #Published By: Inside the Army on 4/12/2004 # #Author: Jen DiMascio # # # # The Army last week decided to reorganize the program developing a # #successor to the M-4 and M-16 rifles, which will slow fielding of the # #kinetic energy carbine but speed development of the automatic weapons # #attachment, according to a service official. # # # # Why are they worrying about rifles when the biggest threat in Iraq is # roadside bombs? # Well, there's still troops in Afganistan that need something with a longer range punch than an M4 has. Easier to develop new rifles than remote bomb detectors or heart-and-mind-changers. Besides, this way they get actual combat feedback. Got to get things going while there's still a war running. Stan ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
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