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<<Since a shooting range is about 90 miles away, I have setup one up in a
garage that I built an extension on, for .22rim. Still have a problem, with
the neighbors from the noise.  I can get a federal license for a silencer
and need opinion on who makes a good one for a Ruger 10/22 [which seem
popular to convert]. I've  tried subsonic but still too loud.  Any hands on
experience appreciated.>>


Lynn:

If they live close enough to gripe about the noise, I'm sure they're also
close enough for you to not be able to discharge a firearm in such close
proximity to their property safely.  I know in many municipalities that you
can be subject to arrest for discharging a firearm inside city limits.

As an alternative, I would suggest maybe an air rifle or a pellet gun.  I
have one by Gamo that is able to shoot pellets at ~1000 fps, and is almost
as devastating to squirrels as is the 22.

BC





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Sounds like a business opportunity to me. Open a range.

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In article <cbehe5$3fo$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
 janan@695online.com (jan) wrote:

# Since a shooting range is about 90 miles away, I have setup one up
#
# in a garage that I built an extension on, for .22rim.
# Still have a problem, with the neighbors from the noise.  I can
#
# get a federal license for a silencer and need opinion on who makes
#
# a good one for a Ruger 10/22 [which seem popular to convert]. I've
#
# tried subsonic but still too loud.  Any hands on experience
#
# appreciated.

A licenced silencer is probably the most prectical, but if you mount a
looong bbl (like 26" or more) you can get impressively quiet using Rem
CB ammo or even SSS if you have a fast twist.  The 60 gr SSS needs about
a 10" twist to properly stabilize.  The CB does fine with the std 16"
twist but might not cycle the 10/22 action.

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# tried subsonic but still too loud.  Any hands on experience

I shoot .22 CB longs in my basement all the time and you can't even hear it
upstairs.  They won't cycle the action so just load up the mag and rack the
bolt after each shot and don't under estimate the power of  these loads!



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janan@695online.com (jan) wrote:

# in a garage that I built an extension on, for .22rim.
# Still have a problem, with the neighbors from the noise.
#
# I've
# tried subsonic but still too loud.  Any hands on experience
# appreciated.

Yep, "subsonic" means only that the bullet is traveling under the
speed of sound, not that report of such ammunition is any quieter than
other types.  Try some CCI CB Longs.  Better yet, consider buying an
air rifle.  Be well.


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michaelb8309@yahoo.com (michaelb) wrote in message news:<cbfgt1$gj2$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
# janan@695online.com (jan) wrote:
#
# # in a garage that I built an extension on, for .22rim.
# # Still have a problem, with the neighbors from the noise.
# #
# # I've
# # tried subsonic but still too loud.  Any hands on experience
# # appreciated.
#
# Yep, "subsonic" means only that the bullet is traveling under the
# speed of sound, not that report of such ammunition is any quieter than
# other types.  Try some CCI CB Longs.  Better yet, consider buying an
# air rifle.  Be well.
#
# /////////

Thanks for all your replies, which point out that I should be more
specific.

1.  I have good neighbors and therefore no intentions to offend them.
There are no restrictions since we are in the county.

2.  My friends/neighbors are welcome to use my 'range' type setup for
free but I have no aspirations to start a business.

3.  The 10-22 Ruger is a terrific piece, it's the gun I've used for
more than ten years and I would like to practice with it, not a pellet
or bb gun.  And I prefer to practice with the field loads I normally
use.

4.  So, for me, I am looking for any gunsmith or specialist that can
quiet it.
Any suggestions regarding this are welcome.

Thanks.

Lynn


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Try the Aguila Colibri's and Super Colibri's - very quiet out of a rifle.

As for suppressor options, Gemtech is pretty top notch for a thread-on
variety.  If you intend to have the barrel replaced with a suppressed
intergral barrel, you may as well buy an already-produced one.

Hang out at subguns.com and you'll learn more than you want.



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"jan" <janan@695online.com> wrote in message
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# Since a shooting range is about 90 miles away, I have setup one up
#
# in a garage that I built an extension on, for .22rim.
# Still have a problem, with the neighbors from the noise.  I can
#
# get a federal license for a silencer and need opinion on who makes
#
# a good one for a Ruger 10/22 [which seem popular to convert]. I've
#
# tried subsonic but still too loud.  Any hands on experience

You may try some of the CB caps in the Ruger. They probably will not cycle
the action and you will have to treat it like a bolt action .  I have found
in the past that 22 automatics to make much more noise than a bolt action.
I have held the bolt so it would not move on another make of auto and
shooting shorts it is much quieter when the bolt is held closed.



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michaelb8309@yahoo.com (michaelb) wrote in message news:<cbfgt1$gj2$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
# janan@695online.com (jan) wrote:
#
# # in a garage that I built an extension on, for .22rim.
# # Still have a problem, with the neighbors from the noise.
# #
# # I've
# # tried subsonic but still too loud.  Any hands on experience
# # appreciated.
#
# Yep, "subsonic" means only that the bullet is traveling under the
# speed of sound, not that report of such ammunition is any quieter than
# other types.

Actually, yes it is. There are three main components to the noise
generated by firing a gun:

1. The mechanical sounds of the firing/cycling mechanism.
2. The noise created by the expanding gasses of the powder.
3. The miniature sonic boom created by the bullet exceeding the
   speed of sound. Commonly called a "crack".

If you use subsonic ammunition, you completely eliminate #3. If
you use a suppressor, you can greatly reduce #2. There's not much
you can do about #1 for any particular firearm (use a bolt buffer
in that 10/22 and it will help), but that's not generally where
most of the sound comes from anyway.

--mwa


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janan@695online.com (jan) wrote in message news:<cbehe5$3fo$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
# Since a shooting range is about 90 miles away, I have setup one up
# in a garage that I built an extension on, for .22rim.
# Still have a problem, with the neighbors from the noise.  I can
# get a federal license for a silencer and need opinion on who makes
# a good one for a Ruger 10/22 [which seem popular to convert]. I've
# tried subsonic but still too loud.  Any hands on experience
# appreciated.
#
# Thank you.
#
# Lynn M


Aguila Colibri®; completely silent in a rifle. If you have further
questions send me a private e-mail.


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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:48:28 +0000 (UTC), janan@695online.com (jan)
wrote:

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http://www.gun-room.com/silencers.html

Might be some help.

SRS


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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:58:49 +0000 (UTC), mwallred@yahoo.com (Marty)
wrote:

***snip***
#3. The miniature sonic boom created by the bullet exceeding the
#   speed of sound. Commonly called a "crack".
#
#If you use subsonic ammunition, you completely eliminate #3. If
#you use a suppressor, you can greatly reduce #2. There's not much
#you can do about #1 for any particular firearm (use a bolt buffer
#in that 10/22 and it will help), but that's not generally where
#most of the sound comes from anyway.
#
#--mwa

As a side note:  Some years ago there was a "covert services" version
of the 10-22 with a full length, built in supressor made for
assasinations by government spooks.  As I recall, the hammer and
(maybe) other internal parts were made of nylon to reduce the "click"
of the hammer fall. It was said that the bullet striking the target
was louder than the operation of the gun.

I'm pretty sure that they used sub sonic ammo.

Strider


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In article <cbie83$pp0$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, David
<laceysteelhead@comcast.net> wrote:

# Aguila Colibri®; completely silent in a rifle.


Read this: <http://www.aguilaammo.com/supercolibri.htm>

"WARNING: These primer only loaded rounds must be fired only in
handguns. When fired in long barreled firearms such as rifles, bullets
may remain lodged inside the longer barrel."

--
Dave Vick
  NRA, MCRGO, MRPA
  Tank: "Okay; whaddya need... Besides a miracle?"
  Neo: "Guns... Lots of guns."


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Is the garage completely enclosed? If not you might consider insulating it
or as an alternative set up a portable "silencer you shoot through but is
not attached to the gun. This would be some thing like an oil drum with the
top and bottom cut out or a ply wood  box open at both ends and lined with
insulation.
What ever the bullets impact is a factor too. I used a "Detroit" bullet trap
in my basement. When the .22's hit the steel plate it was like ringing a
bell. Frankly noisier than the shot.
A silencer could be an effective solution an I suspect there are some nice
barrel/silencer combinations available for the 10/22 (and probably pricey).
I would be concerned that a unit which just attaches to the end of the
barrel may effect the balance and handling.

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In article <cbh3ec$766$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
 janan@695online.com (jan) wrote:

# 3.  The 10-22 Ruger is a terrific piece, it's the gun I've used for
# more than ten years and I would like to practice with it, not a pellet
# or bb gun.  And I prefer to practice with the field loads I normally
# use.

If the loads you normally use are supersonic, you can still get a noisy
crack even if you have an excellent can.  The crack is markedly less at
short ranges.

If subsonic solids are usable for your field loads, you can get a 10"
twist bbl and shoot SSSs, which should be very quiet in a supressed
piece.  You can also shoot supersonic hollow points, the 10" twist
should give good accuracy with shorter bullets but not match accuracy.

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Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote in message news:<cbjqlq$esm$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
# As a side note:  Some years ago there was a "covert services" version
# of the 10-22 with a full length, built in supressor made for
# assasinations by government spooks.  As I recall, the hammer and
# (maybe) other internal parts were made of nylon to reduce the "click"
# of the hammer fall. It was said that the bullet striking the target
# was louder than the operation of the gun.

I have a Marlin 880SQ that is threaded for a suppressor.  When fired,
you hear the striker impact and a quiet poof from the muzzle.  The
bullet strike is by far the loudest noise.  If you shoot water, you
can make quite a racket.  Hitting rocks and other hard stuff also
makes a fair amount of noise.

Supersonic ammo will make as much noise as a .223 Rem suppressed.
Best to stick with standard velocity when noise is a concern.

Isn't getting the muzzle threaded on a 10/22 illegal?  I thought the
AWB made that unlawful.  Or does that only apply to center-fire
rifles?  I probably wouldn't mind having a heavy barrelled 10/22
threaded for the suppressor if the action isn't too noisy.  The
primary reason for going with the 880SQ was that it is bolt action.
Actions don't get quieter than that.  The rate of fire does suffer
though.  Also the magazine only holds seven rounds.


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"jan" <janan@695online.com> wrote in message
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" Any hands on experience "

get 22" barrel from the Wal-Mart model (email me if needed)

try Eley or Lapua subsonic, match pistol, or Remington-Eley Target rifle
ammo.

drill 5/8" out a standard 10/22 flash hider/muzzlebrake leaving the small
exit orifice, cover side vents with plastic or bicycle tire tubing .

almost any long barrel + expansion chamber works with low power subsonic 22
ammo.

Voila !





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Addendum

John Masen flashhider + deprimed 20 gauge shotgun shell works with CCI
Target shorts in Remington Speedmasters.

U could shoot yo' foot & not hear it but would feel it.

Federal excise tax paid on the shot shell instead of NFA fee

 but don't ask me to appear in Federal court.



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"Brass Hopper" <bore_ring@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<cblacc$5tu$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
# "jan" <janan@695online.com> wrote in message
# news:cbehe5$3fo$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
#
# " Any hands on experience "
#
# get 22" barrel from the Wal-Mart model (email me if needed)
#
# try Eley or Lapua subsonic, match pistol, or Remington-Eley Target rifle
# ammo.
#
# drill 5/8" out a standard 10/22 flash hider/muzzlebrake leaving the small
# exit orifice, cover side vents with plastic or bicycle tire tubing .
#
# almost any long barrel + expansion chamber works with low power subsonic 22
# ammo.
#
# Voila !
#
#
And get 10 years in Leavenworth.  A firearms silencer is still a
silencer even if it only reduces the report by 1 dB for only 1 shot.
Not a good idea to make one without jumping through all the legal
hoops.

If the OP is close enough for neighbors to get upset by the reports,
they're close enough for a stray bullet to do damage.  My
recommendation is to stick to air guns for indoor practice.

Stan


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david@david-steuber.com (David Steuber) wrote in message news:<cblacb$5ts$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
# The primary reason for going with the 880SQ was that it is bolt
# action. Actions don't get quieter than that.

I haven't tried or even seen one used, but I'll bet the newish
Remington Etronx guns have a quieter action. Granted, they are
only centerfire, but with no real moving parts, it seems like
they just have to be quieter.

</nitpick>

--mwa


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