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Started by "Mike Rappe"
Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:11
Corrosive Ammo Cleaner
Author: "Mike Rappe"
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:11
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:11
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I bought some surplus ammo for my 98K Mauser. It was made in Turkey in 1943 so it is corrosive. I have a little bit of the old GI cleaner that looks like milk and I hot water and soap before but I did not want to get the gun all wet. I like RB-17 but it costs $20 a bottle so I was thinking about adding a little ammonia to some Simple Green and trying that. Is there any reason not to do that? Thank You, Mike Rappe -- Mike Rappe' Student - University of Phoenix Online mrappe@email.uophx.edu mrappe@houston.rr.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: Corrosive Ammo Cleaner
Author: "Ralph Mowery"
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:56
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:56
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"Mike Rappe" <mrappe@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:cblac9$5tq$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu... # # I bought some surplus ammo for my 98K Mauser. It was made in Turkey in # 1943 so it is corrosive. I have a little bit of the old GI cleaner that # looks # like milk and I hot water and soap before but I did not want to get the # gun all wet. I like RB-17 but it costs $20 a bottle so I was thinking # about adding a little ammonia to some Simple Green and trying that. Is # there any reason not to do that? Here is something you might want to try. From: ED HARRIS Refer#: NONE To: HAROLD DAWSON Recvd: NO Subj: Ed's Red and Black Powder Conf: (11) F-Firearms --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message of <Apr 12 00:50>, Harold Dawson (1:208/205) writes: HD> Is Pyrodex more corrosive than "old style"? I don't use Pyrodex, HD>but (as I don't shoot that often) I was told it was safer to store. If you read the patent description on Pyrodex, you will note it contains pottasium chlorate as an oxidizer. Upon combustion this forms potassium chloride, which is akin to table sale in its corrosivity. HD> I wipe a wet one and a dry one about every 3-5 shots; I don't shoot HD>competition, just enjoy the ritual. If you just use a spit patch to break up any cake, you can follow with ER to finish the job, but if you fire more than a few shots without wiping, the ER doesn't cut the BP caking as well as water, so you need a little to soften it up for the ER can finish the job. If you will be using ER mostly for black powder and old chlorate primed military ammo, there is another wrinkle you can do... All you do here is substitute a "fire retardant hydraulic fluid concentrate," or rust inhibiting water soluable oil suited for water hydraulics for 4 fluid oz. of the ATF in a gallon mix of ER. Then the resulting mix will form a stable emulsion when mixed in a 50-50 ratio with distilled water. The resulting mix is very similar to "Moose Milk", though I think it better. To do this, mix the ER as usual, substituting the water soluble oil for 1/8 of the ATF in the mix, or 4 oz. if you are adding a quart of ATF to mix a gallon of ER. Once the ER is mixed, heat the distilled water just short of the boiling point, steaming with bubbles just beginning to form, and pour this SLOWLY into the ER while stirring. It should form a pink, soapy looking liquid like Pepto Bismol. I use Arco Emulsiplex or Trimsol for this, but you can also use Lyondell Satisol or Tooltex cutting fluid concentrate, or other water soluable cutting oils as long as they DO NOT contain any chlorine or sulphur. That's also why you should use distilled water instead of tap water. ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: Corrosive Ammo Cleaner
Author: Strider
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:56
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:56
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:11:21 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Rappe" <mrappe@houston.rr.com> wrote: # #I bought some surplus ammo for my 98K Mauser. It was made in Turkey in #1943 so it is corrosive. I have a little bit of the old GI cleaner that #looks #like milk and I hot water and soap before but I did not want to get the #gun all wet. I like RB-17 but it costs $20 a bottle so I was thinking #about adding a little ammonia to some Simple Green and trying that. Is #there any reason not to do that? # #Thank You, #Mike Rappe # #-- #Mike Rappe' #Student - University of Phoenix Online #mrappe@email.uophx.edu #mrappe@houston.rr.com Soapy, hot water is best as long as you dry out the gun after cleaning. This was the traditional way of cleaning bores of corrosive waste for decades. There is nothing mystical about the corrosive residue, it's just various salts, easily dissolved in water. I know that you are supposed to buy some hi-tech, handy dandy, super duper cleaner but go with what works. Strider ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: Corrosive Ammo Cleaner
Author: delcolja@mail.ab
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:26
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:26
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"Mike Rappe" <mrappe@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<cblac9$5tq$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>... # I bought some surplus ammo for my 98K Mauser. It was made in Turkey in # 1943 so it is corrosive. I have a little bit of the old GI cleaner that # looks # like milk and I hot water and soap before but I did not want to get the # gun all wet. I like RB-17 but it costs $20 a bottle so I was thinking # about adding a little ammonia to some Simple Green and trying that. Is # there any reason not to do that? # Use the simple green with plenty of hot water. Ammonia is useless against corrosive fouling; however, it does remove copper fouling. The potassium chlorate used in corrsoive primers forms salts that are easily soluble in hot water, hence the need for plenty of steaming H2O. Clean the gun throughly with --very-- hot water. Dry it carefully, oil it well, and you shouldn't have any problem. Or you could use non-corrosive ammo and simplify your life. J. Del Col ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: Corrosive Ammo Cleaner
Author: KCOM
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:26
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:26
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:11:21 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Rappe" <mrappe@houston.rr.com> wrote: I've used RB-17 also, however MPro 7 gun cleaner (a.k.a. Hoppe's Elite) http://www.mp7.com will do everything RB-17 can do but better. Also, Shooter's Choice Black Powder Bore Cleaning Gel http://www.shooters-choice.com should not be overlooked. Finally, the person who invented RB-17 invented a better bore cleaner called bluewonder http://www.bluewonder.us but I haven't had a chance to use it yet (although I have a tube of it). HTH. Steve ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
Re: Corrosive Ammo Cleaner
Author: "Stephen Leoce"
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:26
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:26
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Water is going to do a whole lot less damage than those mercuric chlorite primers. If you correctly use boiling water ... dip the muzzle into the boiling water and siphon it up the bore with a patch and swap it up and down the barrel for 5 or 10 strokes, then remove it from the water ... it will completely evaporate within minutes, and you then clean normally. Nothing will remove the chlorite priming compounds as well as the hot water will, costs nothing, and will not damage the steel as will ammoniated compounds. "Mike Rappe" <mrappe@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:cblac9$5tq$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu... > ... ----------------------------------------------------------- Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com -----------------------------------------------------------
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