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"DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
>
> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat Boy
> fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
>
> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE filter
> on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be available
> at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port Richey, Florida,
> asked about this at the parts counter and was told that what I was
> attempting was impossible.
>
> So much for those idiots!

Doesn't the K&N filter have a plate on the top that the cover bolts to? And
then this plate in turn is attached to the backing plate? SO if you have the
K & N installed then you have everything needed ...?
My K & N has this metal plate , and the bolts go thru the plate down to the
backing plate holding filter in place. Then the round cover just bolts to
the filter plate.... no gaskets seem to be needed.

But then again I have been wrong once or twice before.

Ralph BS#207

"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> wrote in message
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> Ralph wrote:
> > "DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:1tut70det0pp265tpcsvgu1m86hfg7pb82@4ax.com...
> >> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
> >>
> >> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat
> >> Boy fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
> >>
> >> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE filter
> >> on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be available
> >> at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port Richey,
> >> Florida, asked about this at the parts counter and was told that
> >> what I was attempting was impossible.
> >>
> >> So much for those idiots!
> >
> > Doesn't the K&N filter have a plate on the top that the cover bolts
> > to? And then this plate in turn is attached to the backing plate? SO
> > if you have the K & N installed then you have everything needed ...?
> > My K & N has this metal plate , and the bolts go thru the plate down
> > to the backing plate holding filter in place. Then the round cover
> > just bolts to the filter plate.... no gaskets seem to be needed.
> >
> > But then again I have been wrong once or twice before.
>
> And you are this time. If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter
will
> break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture. A strip
> of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
> rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
> more than once at the shop.

Cool.
Thanks.

Ralph BS#207
>

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:14:35 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
<dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> writ:

>If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter will
>break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture. A strip
>of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
>rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
>more than once at the shop.

*NOW* y' fuckin tell me!  (Got a spare one?)

--
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"DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
>
> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat Boy
> fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
>
> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE filter
> on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be available
> at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port Richey, Florida,
> asked about this at the parts counter and was told that what I was
> attempting was impossible.
>
> So much for those idiots!
>
> TIA & ride safe.
>
> David
> 02 FXSTS 95", 42 Mikuni, DTT sparks, Supertrapp, HQ heads, 251 cams,
> etc........

buy everything you need
http://www.j-pcycles.com/shop/
--
HarryS
JAFGBR
JAFTJO

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:14:35 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
<dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> wrote:

>Ralph wrote:
>> "DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:1tut70det0pp265tpcsvgu1m86hfg7pb82@4ax.com...
>>> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
>>>
>>> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat
>>> Boy fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
>>>
>>> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE filter
>>> on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be available
>>> at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port Richey,
>>> Florida, asked about this at the parts counter and was told that
>>> what I was attempting was impossible.
>>>
>>> So much for those idiots!
>>
>> Doesn't the K&N filter have a plate on the top that the cover bolts
>> to? And then this plate in turn is attached to the backing plate? SO
>> if you have the K & N installed then you have everything needed ...?
>> My K & N has this metal plate , and the bolts go thru the plate down
>> to the backing plate holding filter in place. Then the round cover
>> just bolts to the filter plate.... no gaskets seem to be needed.
>>
>> But then again I have been wrong once or twice before.
>
>And you are this time. If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter will
>break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture. A strip
>of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
>rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
>more than once at the shop.

Thanks Harry.....
David

Ralph wrote:
> "DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1tut70det0pp265tpcsvgu1m86hfg7pb82@4ax.com...
>> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
>>
>> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat
>> Boy fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
>>
>> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE filter
>> on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be available
>> at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port Richey,
>> Florida, asked about this at the parts counter and was told that
>> what I was attempting was impossible.
>>
>> So much for those idiots!
>
> Doesn't the K&N filter have a plate on the top that the cover bolts
> to? And then this plate in turn is attached to the backing plate? SO
> if you have the K & N installed then you have everything needed ...?
> My K & N has this metal plate , and the bolts go thru the plate down
> to the backing plate holding filter in place. Then the round cover
> just bolts to the filter plate.... no gaskets seem to be needed.
>
> But then again I have been wrong once or twice before.

And you are this time. If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter will
break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture. A strip
of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
more than once at the shop.

--
Dirty Harry, BS#59, DOF#4, FFDI
Proudly in a "same sex marriage",
Sex with the same woman all the time!

"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> wrote in message
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> Ralph wrote:
> > "DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:1tut70det0pp265tpcsvgu1m86hfg7pb82@4ax.com...
> >> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
> >>
> >> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat
> >> Boy fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
> >>
> >> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE filter
> >> on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be available
> >> at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port Richey,
> >> Florida, asked about this at the parts counter and was told that
> >> what I was attempting was impossible.
> >>
> >> So much for those idiots!
> >
> > Doesn't the K&N filter have a plate on the top that the cover bolts
> > to? And then this plate in turn is attached to the backing plate? SO
> > if you have the K & N installed then you have everything needed ...?
> > My K & N has this metal plate , and the bolts go thru the plate down
> > to the backing plate holding filter in place. Then the round cover
> > just bolts to the filter plate.... no gaskets seem to be needed.
> >
> > But then again I have been wrong once or twice before.
>
> And you are this time. If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter
will
> break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture. A strip
> of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
> rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
> more than once at the shop.

I used the uhfishal H-D rubber spacer doo-dad. The center of the filter
cracked anyway. Put the Sinister Blue football back on. Looks better than
chrome anyway.......

112

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:14:35 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
<dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> wrote:

>Ralph wrote:
>> "DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:1tut70det0pp265tpcsvgu1m86hfg7pb82@4ax.com...
>>> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
>>>
>>> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat
>>> Boy fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
>>>
>>> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE filter
>>> on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be available
>>> at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port Richey,
>>> Florida, asked about this at the parts counter and was told that
>>> what I was attempting was impossible.
>>>
>>> So much for those idiots!
>>
>> Doesn't the K&N filter have a plate on the top that the cover bolts
>> to? And then this plate in turn is attached to the backing plate? SO
>> if you have the K & N installed then you have everything needed ...?
>> My K & N has this metal plate , and the bolts go thru the plate down
>> to the backing plate holding filter in place. Then the round cover
>> just bolts to the filter plate.... no gaskets seem to be needed.
>>
>> But then again I have been wrong once or twice before.
>
>And you are this time.

Uhhh, no he's not.  But then again, you didn't know he's runnin' one
of these:  www.snarlshogden.com/

>If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter will
>break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture.

I've got over 45,000 miles on mine, sans gasket or self stick weather
strip, or anything other than what's pictured.  No stress fractures,
no problems, no oil leakin' outta th' air cleaner, no spun stand-off
bolts, no flimsy assed backing plate, none of that shit.  Hell of a
lot higher air flow too.

>A strip
>of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
>rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
>more than once at the shop.

Good advice if yer runnin' stock H-D shit, which th' OP is I believe.

Snarl... the "our work here is done Harry, time fer a coldbeer"
Asshole(tm)


--

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EKIII Rides with me...

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:32:23 -0700, Redbeard Emeritus
<redbeard@volcano.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:14:35 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
><dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> writ:
>
>>If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter will
>>break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture. A strip
>>of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
>>rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
>>more than once at the shop.
>
>*NOW* y' fuckin tell me!  (Got a spare one?)

I might.  What's th' part # on yers?

Snarl... the "and dimensions too please" Asshole(tm)


--

Snarl  AH#67, BS#37, SENS
EKIII Rides with me...

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:46:30 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
<dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> wrote:

>>> A strip
>>> of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
>>> rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
>>> more than once at the shop.

I mumbled:

>> Good advice if yer runnin' stock H-D shit, which th' OP is I believe.
>>
>> Snarl... the "our work here is done Harry, time fer a coldbeer"

DH sezzed:

>Here's a pair of Coors for you and an SNPA for me.

Thanky, I'm buyin' th' next go round.

>My advice was
>directed at those who want to run the Screamin' Chicken backplate
>and element with a round cover rather than the football.

Screamin' Chicken, stock H-D, it's all th' same to me... junk.  Yer
advice is sound, but it's still treatin' a symptom rather than th'
root core problems.  Then again, most of th' Instant Bikers will never
put on enough miles to figure that out anyway <shrug>.

Snarl... the "time for anuther round, ready?" Asshole(tm)


--

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EKIII Rides with me...

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:01:48 GMT, "Shaggy"
<Hippie.Biker@verizonThePlug.net> wrote:

>
><snarl67@trippin.net> wrote in message
>news:fn20805v4jes5f5gg3su2h51vnn17mj4kf@4ax.com...
><snipalot>
>>
>> Uhhh, no he's not.  But then again, you didn't know he's runnin' one
>> of these:  www.snarlshogden.com/
>>
><sniptherest>
>
>Looks nice. Who's doing your castings Snarl?
>Perspiring minds want to know.

A local boy, neighbor of mine damn near, name of Dave Skagen.  He came
up with th' design, has th' castings farmed out, and does th' machine
work hisself.  Arlen Ness ripped off part of th' design and came out
with th' Big Sucker.  There ain't anything out there better than
these, period.  Nuthin' else like 'em either.

Yo Hoppy, yer links ain't workin' for some reason.  Could ya send me
those pics please.

Snarl... the "thanks" Asshole(tm)


--

Snarl  AH#67, BS#37, SENS
EKIII Rides with me...

<snarl67@trippin.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:46:30 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
> Screamin' Chicken, stock H-D, it's all th' same to me... junk.  Yer
> advice is sound, but it's still treatin' a symptom rather than th'
> root core problems.  Then again, most of th' Instant Bikers will never
> put on enough miles to figure that out anyway <shrug>.
>
I like that.. 'Instant Bikers' . it has got be worth at least 2 ice cold
Coors ( and not of that light shit either).

Better get some more miles.... I sure would hate to get hit with that
name.......


> Snarl... the "time for anuther round, ready?" Asshole(tm)

Yup I will definately get the next round of drinks. You have been a good
help.

Ralph BS#207

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:56:11 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
<dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> wrote:

>Snarl sed:
>>
>>> My advice was
>>> directed at those who want to run the Screamin' Chicken backplate
>>> and element with a round cover rather than the football.
>>
>> Screamin' Chicken, stock H-D, it's all th' same to me... junk.  Yer
>> advice is sound, but it's still treatin' a symptom rather than th'
>> root core problems.  Then again, most of th' Instant Bikers will never
>> put on enough miles to figure that out anyway <shrug>.
>
>Except the backplate is round and the stocker oval for twinkies, thereby
>precluding the use of a round style cover instead of the football one.

"Preclude:
To make impossible, as by action taken in advance; prevent. See
Synonyms at prevent.

To exclude or prevent (someone) from a given condition or activity"

Yer right.  All I'm sayin' is there's another choice out there for
round backing plates other than th' Screamin' Chicken or ness's Big
Sucker garbage.

Th' fact that I have th' last few of these in existence, and might
even sell a couple, isn't th' point.  There are design flaws in all of
'em out there, mine is just flat fuckin' better than anything else,
period.  There are band-aids that will help th' others limp around fer
a spell tho... like adhesive weather-stripping  fer example <g>.

>> Snarl... the "time for anuther round, ready?" Asshole(tm)
>
>I'll always drink your beer my friend. <clink>

You know th' fridge's are always full and th' roads which lead to 'em.

Snarl... the "door's always open <clink>" Asshole(tm)


--

Snarl  AH#67, BS#37, SENS
EKIII Rides with me...

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:58:40 -0700, snarl67@trippin.net writ:

>>(Got a spare one?)

>I might.  What's th' part # on yers?
>
>Snarl... the "and dimensions too please" Asshole(tm)

Part #?  Beats th' fuck outta me.  8" round with a hole in th' middle.
I like th' bar & shield but ain't necessarily picky.  (No "ride to
live", tho. <g>)

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<snarl67@trippin.net> wrote in message
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<snipalot>
>
> Uhhh, no he's not.  But then again, you didn't know he's runnin' one
> of these:  www.snarlshogden.com/
>
<sniptherest>

Looks nice. Who's doing your castings Snarl?
Perspiring minds want to know.

Shag
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Redbeard Emeritus wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:14:35 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
> <dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> writ:
>
>> If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter will
>> break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture. A
>> strip of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck
>> around the rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem.
>> We saw this more than once at the shop.
>
> *NOW* y' fuckin tell me!  (Got a spare one?)

Unfortunately not. Them fuckin' elements is pricey too. The only
consolation is you can now put in the deeper Buell element with
the weather-strip.

--
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Proudly in a "same sex marriage",
Sex with the same woman all the time!

TL Mitchell wrote:
> "Dirty Harry" <dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> wrote in message
> news:vHEfc.124948$Pk3.70576@pd7tw1no...
>> Ralph wrote:
>>> "DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1tut70det0pp265tpcsvgu1m86hfg7pb82@4ax.com...
>>>> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
>>>>
>>>> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat
>>>> Boy fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
>>>>
>>>> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE
>>>> filter on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be
>>>> available at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port
>>>> Richey, Florida, asked about this at the parts counter and was
>>>> told that
>>>> what I was attempting was impossible.
>>>>
>>>> So much for those idiots!
>>>
>>> Doesn't the K&N filter have a plate on the top that the cover bolts
>>> to? And then this plate in turn is attached to the backing plate? SO
>>> if you have the K & N installed then you have everything needed ...?
>>> My K & N has this metal plate , and the bolts go thru the plate down
>>> to the backing plate holding filter in place. Then the round cover
>>> just bolts to the filter plate.... no gaskets seem to be needed.
>>>
>>> But then again I have been wrong once or twice before.
>>
>> And you are this time. If you just bolt it on, the center of the
>> filter will break out over time from the vibration causing a stress
>> fracture. A strip of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip
>> foam stuck around the rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve
>> the problem. We saw this more than once at the shop.
>
> I used the uhfishal H-D rubber spacer doo-dad. The center of the
> filter cracked anyway. Put the Sinister Blue football back on. Looks
> better than chrome anyway.......

The weather strip seems to work just fine. 20,000 miles on the bagger.
Mayhaps I should start selling 18" long strips of weather-strip on e-bay
for $19.99 and 9.99 S&H <sfsf>

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Proudly in a "same sex marriage",
Sex with the same woman all the time!

snarl67@trippin.net wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:14:35 GMT, "Dirty Harry"
> <dirtyharryyatshawperiodca@invalid.gov> wrote:
>
>> Ralph wrote:
>>> "DH" <dhawksby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1tut70det0pp265tpcsvgu1m86hfg7pb82@4ax.com...
>>>> Belly up folks....drinks on me!
>>>>
>>>> Wondering how I can make the round air filter cover from my 98 Fat
>>>> Boy fit on my 02 Twin Cam with a Mikuni carb?
>>>>
>>>> Heard somewhere about a gasket that will fit over the K & N SE
>>>> filter on the TC to enable the round cover to fit...supposed to be
>>>> available at Harley.  I went to my local dealership in New Port
>>>> Richey, Florida, asked about this at the parts counter and was
>>>> told that what I was attempting was impossible.
>>>>
>>>> So much for those idiots!
>>>
>>> Doesn't the K&N filter have a plate on the top that the cover bolts
>>> to? And then this plate in turn is attached to the backing plate? SO
>>> if you have the K & N installed then you have everything needed ...?
>>> My K & N has this metal plate , and the bolts go thru the plate down
>>> to the backing plate holding filter in place. Then the round cover
>>> just bolts to the filter plate.... no gaskets seem to be needed.
>>>
>>> But then again I have been wrong once or twice before.
>>
>> And you are this time.
>
> Uhhh, no he's not.  But then again, you didn't know he's runnin' one
> of these:  www.snarlshogden.com/
>
>> If you just bolt it on, the center of the filter will
>> break out over time from the vibration causing a stress fracture.
>
> I've got over 45,000 miles on mine, sans gasket or self stick weather
> strip, or anything other than what's pictured.  No stress fractures,
> no problems, no oil leakin' outta th' air cleaner, no spun stand-off
> bolts, no flimsy assed backing plate, none of that shit.  Hell of a
> lot higher air flow too.
>
>> A strip
>> of self stick 1/4X1/4 or 3/8X3/8 weather-strip foam stuck around the
>> rubber edge flange of the filter, will solve the problem. We saw this
>> more than once at the shop.
>
> Good advice if yer runnin' stock H-D shit, which th' OP is I believe.
>
> Snarl... the "our work here is done Harry, time fer a coldbeer"

Here's a pair of Coors for you and an SNPA for me. My advice was
directed at those who want to run the Screamin' Chicken backplate
and element with a round cover rather than the football.

--
Dirty Harry, BS#59, DOF#4, FFDI
Proudly in a "same sex marriage",
Sex with the same woman all the time!

Snarl sed:
>
>> My advice was
>> directed at those who want to run the Screamin' Chicken backplate
>> and element with a round cover rather than the football.
>
> Screamin' Chicken, stock H-D, it's all th' same to me... junk.  Yer
> advice is sound, but it's still treatin' a symptom rather than th'
> root core problems.  Then again, most of th' Instant Bikers will never
> put on enough miles to figure that out anyway <shrug>.

Except the backplate is round and the stocker oval for twinkies, thereby
precluding the use of a round style cover instead of the football one.

> Snarl... the "time for anuther round, ready?" Asshole(tm)

I'll always drink your beer my friend. <clink>

--
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Proudly in a "same sex marriage",
Sex with the same woman all the time!

<snarl67@trippin.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:01:48 GMT, "Shaggy"
> <Hippie.Biker@verizonThePlug.net> wrote:
<snip>
> >Looks nice. Who's doing your castings Snarl?
> >Perspiring minds want to know.
>
> A local boy, neighbor of mine damn near, name of Dave Skagen.  He came
> up with th' design, has th' castings farmed out, and does th' machine
> work hisself.  Arlen Ness ripped off part of th' design and came out
> with th' Big Sucker.  There ain't anything out there better than
> these, period.  Nuthin' else like 'em either.
>
Looks like nice work. Figger a bigwig like Ness to rob the little guy. I
knew there was a reason I didn't like the looks of his bikes.

I'm *itchin* to get my shop set back up. I haven't had any REAL fun in a
while.
(hack-chop-weld-grind)

Shag
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