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allen-1 <allen-1@pobox.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:11:51 GMT,
> "Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote:
>
> >Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
> >helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
> >
> >http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/
> >
>
> Motor cops wear white helmets.  Ask Topp about cars moving out of his
> way when he's on Drifter.

I heard that.

Look, this whole white helment thing may be true, but if I was really
overly concerned about this kinda shit, I wouldn't be riding a
motorcycle to begin with.

Ken
HSB#07 WOLF#13 BS#92 AH#70 SENS
"My guardian angel wears a hardhat"

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:11:51 GMT,
"Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote:

>Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
>helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
>
>http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/
>

Motor cops wear white helmets.  Ask Topp about cars moving out of his
way when he's on Drifter.

--
ah71 bs71 dm6    '85FXRS

"Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote in message news:<rrNfc.64925$QQ6.25862@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
> helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
>
> http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/


That study and its results are absolute bullshit.  First, how many
riders wear bright colors or helmets?  Not many, a very low number of
the total, thus, the percentage of accidents of that population will
be lower when compared to the larger population that wears darker
colors.  Next, here is a quote from the study; "..lower risk of crash
related injury than those who were not wearing such materials.."
Notice that each "statistic" is saying "crash related injury" not
total number of accidents.  What the fuck does the color of my gear
have to do with the extent of my injuries?  If I take my brain bucket
and paint it fluorescent orange and do an endo at 80mph will I get
less of a head injury than if I left it black?  Total bullshit (like
my reply).  If I dye my jeans yellow will they resist the road
dragging longer?

As a side note, if you were to say that the bright colors make the
biker more noticeable to the cager then I would say there might be
something valid in that argument which helps support the fact that
"loud pipes save lives." Yes a self-proved fact as I have personally
used my loud pipes as a horn many times to get noticed or freeze deer.

And in closing, shit, I forgot what I was going to say!  Oh well, have
another round on my tab.

Ride free or die.

//Hunter

Pittsburgh bound wrote:

>
>
> I think that may be one of the reasons white helmets are safer.  In a black
> leather jacket and white helmet, motorists pause for a split second - giving
> us the safety edge we need.  They "see" us.
>
>

Because a 'real' biker never wants to scratch his chrome it would follow
that wearing a chromeicized helmet would make for a safer rider, and
therefore a result in less injuries and possible fatalities.

Anyway that's my fucking 'report'.  Thanks for the drink.

--
BS205 DOF#FiftyTo CVNS G&W FD1
'01 FXST "Sluggo"

"allen-1" <allen-1@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:11:51 GMT,
> "Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote:
>
> >Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
> >helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
> >
> >http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/
> >
>
> Motor cops wear white helmets.  Ask Topp about cars moving out of his
> way when he's on Drifter.
>
> --
> ah71 bs71 dm6    '85FXRS

Never looked at it that way.  Good point.

"jjs" <nospam@please.xxx> wrote in message
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>
> "Brian Winter" <bwinter@jadeworld.com> wrote in message
> news:407fd8a3$1@clear.net.nz...
>
> > Having said that, we could all dress in bright orange, wear white
helmets
> > and ride with our headlight on and some
> > clown would still drive into us!
> > Brian (Fernside, New Zealand)
>
> If you took all the bikers in New York and lined 'em up end-to-end
pointing
> to California
> some squid from New Jersey would try to pass.
>
>

'Cause some flangehead in Kali stopped at the end of the on-ramp.

RicKB

Brian Winter wrote:
> "Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote in message
> news:rrNfc.64925$QQ6.25862@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> 
>>Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
>>helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
>>
>>http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/
> 
> 
> Most Kiwi motorcyclists would agree that having your headlight on is still
> the best way of displaying your presence
> to a cage driver. Down here in New Zealand, riding with your headlight on is
> not compulsary.
> Having said that, we could all dress in bright orange, wear white helmets
> and ride with our headlight on and some
> clown would still drive into us!
> Brian (Fernside, New Zealand)
> www.kiwibikers.co.nz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

I am a firm believer in the argument for bright colors.  When
I commute or ride long Hwy. distance I wear my Hi-Viz Yellow
AeroStich suit. IMHO the color causes the brain to pause,
forcing the owner of the brain to think. [or puke]

Let some idiot hit me and say they did not see me....

Bruce

-- 
===================================
Bruce J. Belschner
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1999 RoadKing gone
2001 UltraClassic
===================================

"Bruce J. Belschner" <b2spam@compuserve.com> wrote:

: When
:I commute or ride long Hwy. distance I wear my Hi-Viz Yellow
:AeroStich suit. IMHO the color causes the brain to pause,
:forcing the owner of the brain to think. [or puke]

Bingo on the puke part. Get the headlight modulator.

"Brian Winter" <bwinter@jadeworld.com> wrote in message
news:407fd8a3$1@clear.net.nz...

> Having said that, we could all dress in bright orange, wear white helmets
> and ride with our headlight on and some
> clown would still drive into us!
> Brian (Fernside, New Zealand)

If you took all the bikers in New York and lined 'em up end-to-end pointing
to California
some squid from New Jersey would try to pass.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:07:36 -0500, "Bruce J. Belschner"
<b2spam@compuserve.com> wrote:

>I am a firm believer in the argument for bright colors.  When
>I commute or ride long Hwy. distance I wear my Hi-Viz Yellow
>AeroStich suit. IMHO the color causes the brain to pause,
>forcing the owner of the brain to think. [or puke]
>
>Let some idiot hit me and say they did not see me....

It'll happen, just a matter of time, and they'll say exactly that.

I ride a fuckin' white cop bike, complete with siren, and wear a white
bucket.  They still pull out in front of me.  Shit their pants, but
that's usually after th' fact.

Snarl... the "not a matter of *if*, it's when" Asshole(tm)


--

Snarl  AH#67, BS#37, SENS
EKIII Rides with me...

Pittsburgh bound wrote:

> Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
> helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
>
> http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/

Fuck a bunch of helmets. Don't need 'em don't want'em don't fucking wear'em.

Charlie O

"allen-1" <allen-1@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:11:51 GMT,
> "Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote:
>
> >Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
> >helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
> >
> >http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/
> >
>
> Motor cops wear white helmets.  Ask Topp about cars moving out of his
> way when he's on Drifter.
>
> --
> ah71 bs71 dm6    '85FXRS

I think that may be one of the reasons white helmets are safer.  In a black
leather jacket and white helmet, motorists pause for a split second - giving
us the safety edge we need.  They "see" us.

Greasy, Rider, @, invalid.com wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:58:37 -0500, Charlie O
> <rollingrck@NOSPAMearthlink.net> etched the phosphur particles on my
> screen with the following:
>
> >Fuck a bunch of helmets. Don't need 'em don't want'em don't fucking wear'em.
> >
> >Charlie O
>
> When your turn comes to do the rag dog you'll wish you had the very
> best that money could buy.
>
> Lots of luck.
>
> Ride Safe!
>
> Greasy Rider
> '97 FLHTCi Lehman trike
> 50 Years of motorcyling!

Thank you mommy!

On 16 Apr 2004 06:26:34 -0700, kschofie@hotmail.com (AH#70) wrote:

snip

>I heard that.
>
>Look, this whole white helment thing may be true, but if I was really
>overly concerned about this kinda shit, I wouldn't be riding a
>motorcycle to begin with.

Who's been getting up on the wrong side of the bed lately? ;-)

Ya grumpy fuck.

--
LESDL

Asshole(tm) #74  BS 24

hunters@gate.net (hunter) wrote in message news:<9caa32a7.0404160717.7fdecf7@posting.google.com>...
> "Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote in message news:<rrNfc.64925$QQ6.25862@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> > Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
> > helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
> >
> > http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/
>
>
> That study and its results are absolute bullshit.  First, how many
> riders wear bright colors or helmets?  Not many, a very low number of
> the total, thus, the percentage of accidents of that population will
> be lower when compared to the larger population that wears darker
> colors.  Next, here is a quote from the study; "..lower risk of crash
> related injury than those who were not wearing such materials.."
> Notice that each "statistic" is saying "crash related injury" not
> total number of accidents.  What the fuck does the color of my gear
> have to do with the extent of my injuries?

>From my brief read of the original publication, they didn't measure
extent of injury, but rather the chance of having a "crash-related
injury," which is in the title of the publication:  (BTW:  Total # of
accidents was 463)

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7444/857

http://tinyurl.com/226s3

> As a side note, if you were to say that the bright colors make the
> biker more noticeable to the cager then I would say there might be
> something valid in that argument which helps support the fact that
> "loud pipes save lives." Yes a self-proved fact as I have personally
> used my loud pipes as a horn many times to get noticed or freeze deer.

See above.

Dok

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:58:37 +1200, "Brian Winter"
<bwinter@jadeworld.com> etched the phosphur particles on my screen
with the following:


>Most Kiwi motorcyclists would agree that having your headlight on is still
>the best way of displaying your presence
>to a cage driver. Down here in New Zealand, riding with your headlight on is
>not compulsary.


Some "bikers" tend to think that since their headlight is on then they
are visible to all. Never good to take anything for granted.




Ride Safe!

Greasy Rider
'97 FLHTCi Lehman trike
50 Years of motorcyling!

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:58:37 -0500, Charlie O
<rollingrck@NOSPAMearthlink.net> etched the phosphur particles on my
screen with the following:


>Fuck a bunch of helmets. Don't need 'em don't want'em don't fucking wear'em.
>
>Charlie O

When your turn comes to do the rag dog you'll wish you had the very
best that money could buy.

Lots of luck.









Ride Safe!

Greasy Rider
'97 FLHTCi Lehman trike
50 Years of motorcyling!

"AH#70" <kschofie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:da6dfe57.0404160526.6b6b796b@posting.google.com...
> allen-1 <allen-1@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:11:51 GMT,
> > "Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote:
> >
> > >Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a
white
> > >helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
> > >
> > >http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/
> > >
> >
> > Motor cops wear white helmets.  Ask Topp about cars moving out of his
> > way when he's on Drifter.
>
> I heard that.
>
> Look, this whole white helment thing may be true, but if I was really
> overly concerned about this kinda shit, I wouldn't be riding a
> motorcycle to begin with.
>
> Ken
> HSB#07 WOLF#13 BS#92 AH#70 SENS
> "My guardian angel wears a hardhat"

A simple question how does this apply if you are color blind?  he, he, he,
he, he, he

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
JAFTJO

"AH#70" <kschofie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:da6dfe57.0404160526.6b6b796b@posting.google.com...
> allen-1 <allen-1@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:11:51 GMT,
> > "Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote:
> >
> > >Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a
white
> > >helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
> > >
> > >http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/
> > >
> >
> > Motor cops wear white helmets.  Ask Topp about cars moving out of his
> > way when he's on Drifter.
>
> I heard that.
>
> Look, this whole white helment thing may be true, but if I was really
> overly concerned about this kinda shit, I wouldn't be riding a
> motorcycle to begin with.

Yeah, you'd be stayin' home polishing chrome.......

112

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:58:37 -0500,
Charlie O <rollingrck@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:


>Fuck a bunch of helmets. Don't need 'em don't want'em don't fucking wear'em.

I don't know where you live, since I live in Connecticut I keep a
helmet in my saddlebag at all times.  Nice to have when I ride into
Massachusetts or New York, both of which are mandatory helmet states.

--
ah71 bs71 dm6    '85FXRS

TL Mitchell wrote:
>
> "AH#70" <kschofie@hotmail.com> wrote :

> > Look, this whole white helment thing may be true, but if I was really
> > overly concerned about this kinda shit, I wouldn't be riding a
> > motorcycle to begin with.
>
> Yeah, you'd be stayin' home polishing chrome.......

Chrome is polishable?
 Hmmmmmm.

I'll give that a whirl.

snarl67@trippin.net wrote in news:9d70809tefnspnq5r07lt1ffg25rtv3894@
4ax.com:

> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:07:36 -0500, "Bruce J. Belschner"
> <b2spam@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>>I am a firm believer in the argument for bright colors.  When
>>I commute or ride long Hwy. distance I wear my Hi-Viz Yellow
>>AeroStich suit. IMHO the color causes the brain to pause,
>>forcing the owner of the brain to think. [or puke]
>>
>>Let some idiot hit me and say they did not see me....
>
> It'll happen, just a matter of time, and they'll say exactly that.
>
> I ride a fuckin' white cop bike, complete with siren, and wear a white
> bucket.  They still pull out in front of me.  Shit their pants, but
> that's usually after th' fact.
>
> Snarl... the "not a matter of *if*, it's when" Asshole(tm)
>

you sure got that right .. after all, cars pull in front of other cars
all the time .. it's not that they CAN'T see you or them, it's just that
they don't really look .. too busy on their cell phones or thinking of
work or the movie they just rented etc ... it's just a matter of time
before someone pulls out in front of you .. you can't prevent it, so
you'd best be prepared and keep your eyes open and your head on a swivel
... drive safe & aware at all times ...

gc

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:45:17 -0500, Charlie O
<rollingrck@NOSPAMearthlink.net> etched the phosphur particles on my
screen with the following:

>Thank you mommy!

You are quite welcome sonny.




Ride Safe!

Greasy Rider
'97 FLHTCi Lehman trike
50 Years of motorcyling!

Greasy, Rider, @, invalid.com wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:45:17 -0500, Charlie O
> <rollingrck@NOSPAMearthlink.net> etched the phosphur particles on my
> screen with the following:
>
> >Thank you mommy!
>
> You are quite welcome sonny.

You have a new found son as well?

Congrats?

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:18:53 GMT, AH#49 <AH@your.net> etched the
phosphur particles on my screen with the following:

>You have a new found son as well?

I have always wanted to tell him that his daddy knocked me up before
the wedding but I just didn't have the heart.

You, howsomeever are legitimate.


(I hope he never has to really thank me.)



Ride Safe!

Greasy Rider
'97 FLHTCi Lehman trike
50 Years of motorcyling!

On 16 Apr 2004, "Bruce J. Belschner" <b2spam@compuserve.com>
pondered an unfair universe and came up with
news:c5olq1$i2v$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com:

> Brian Winter wrote:
> I am a firm believer in the argument for bright colors.  When
> I commute or ride long Hwy. distance I wear my Hi-Viz Yellow
> AeroStich suit. IMHO the color causes the brain to pause,
> forcing the owner of the brain to think. [or puke]
>
> Let some idiot hit me and say they did not see me....

I was stuck at the scene of an accident a few years ago. An accident
where a car turned left into a big yellow urban bus. You don't get any
more visible than a big yellow bus.

Since I was stuck and split to the front of the line, I could hear the
conversation between the driver and the cop taking his statement. He
said, "I just didn't see him..."

The reason people get into accidents with other vehicles is because
they aren't paying attention, and your visibility is only slightly
relevant. You're better off with "active visibility" like vastly
brighter than normal halogen driving lights (as anyone who's ridden in
front of me about how noticeable and hard to ignore those lights are on
my bike, even in the brightest daylight), and converting your rear turn
signal lamps to running lights.

As for people noticing you because you look like a cop, I hear traffic
reports on the radio all the time about cops being involved in
accidents, so I wouldn't bet on it.

--
StephG   AH108 BS30 YPF8

On 16 Apr 2004, "Pittsburgh bound"
<c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> pondered an unfair universe and
came up with news:rrNfc.64925$QQ6.25862@nwrdny02.gnilink.net:

> Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says
> a white helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
>
> http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/

I'm increasingly of the opinion that no motorcycle study is correct.
People conducting studies can always find a way to manipulate the
numbers to come to verify whatever premise that is in the original
hypothesis of their proposal.

If they didn't, then the whole study would have been a waste of time.

If I ever bought a lottery ticket, and subsequently won a lot of money,
one of the things I would do is create a foundation that would do
nothing but studies designed to come to the opposite conclusion of
whatever other study was being done. If the evidence was so strong that
it couldn't be validated, then the study could certify that the
original was incontrovertable.

--
StephG   AH108 BS30 YPF8

/
>
> I'm increasingly of the opinion that no motorcycle study is correct.
> People conducting studies can always find a way to manipulate the
> numbers to come to verify whatever premise that is in the original
> hypothesis of their proposal.
>
> If they didn't, then the whole study would have been a waste of time.
>
> If I ever bought a lottery ticket, and subsequently won a lot of money,
> one of the things I would do is create a foundation that would do
> nothing but studies designed to come to the opposite conclusion of
> whatever other study was being done. If the evidence was so strong that
> it couldn't be validated, then the study could certify that the
> original was incontrovertable.
>
> --
> StephG   AH108 BS30 YPF8
>

Actually that's what all studies do, test hypotheses.

--
Chuck in Pittsburgh
2003 XL-883C

"Pittsburgh bound" <c.w.pittsburgh@verizon.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:rrNfc.64925$QQ6.25862@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> Have a cup of coffee with me and read this article from NZ.  Says a white
> helmet has a 24% lower risk than black  Food for thought.
>
> http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/brighthelmetstudy/

Most Kiwi motorcyclists would agree that having your headlight on is still
the best way of displaying your presence
to a cage driver. Down here in New Zealand, riding with your headlight on is
not compulsary.
Having said that, we could all dress in bright orange, wear white helmets
and ride with our headlight on and some
clown would still drive into us!
Brian (Fernside, New Zealand)
www.kiwibikers.co.nz