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rookie <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...
>
>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:20:49 -0700, "rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com>
looked up from his newspaper and shouted:

>What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
>Knee? etc...
>

Levi's denim.
--
Ride Safe!-Greasy Rider
'97 FLHTCI Trike & '01 FLHT
Life Member-HOG & AMA -SENS

8<

> i've been thinking about this a bunch lately because of another thread.
> i commute a measly 4 miles to work. 8 miles a day that's probably the
> most dangerous miles i ride due to the fact that i'm on surface streets
> with a ton of intersections and off ramps, riding during rush hour and
> in a high traffic density area that's currently being ripped apart for
> construction. i'd wear my helmet, fully armored jacket (back, elbows,
> forearms, shoulders), Sidi Start boots, Teknic gloves and jeans.
> wait...that's about 1/2 my body still mostly exposed, including my HIPS
> and KNEES. it takes me about 3 minutes to zip on my armored Motoport
> overpants. it may literally save my ass if some dipshit with a cel phone
> shoved in his/her ear, thumb inserted up rectum and head in the clouds
> decided to pull and idiot maneuver and i make a mistake and can't avoid
> him/her. so, now i wear the pants too.

Hey Beth, it takes 3 minutes to put on the overpants? The Aerostich
Roadcrafter one-piece I have takes literally 10 seconds to put on, most of
the time is just zipping up the two zippers. It fits over all your cloths
and takes about 5 seconds to take off! The hardest part is getting your
right boot into the right leg. (The left side is open from left ankle to
chin. The right side zip is from right ankle to crotch, so it's that right
leg hole that is the only sticking point, but you get good at it). I tell
you, for commuting, it is the ultimate! Wth the optional (and recommended)
hip and back pads in, you are ready for the road (literally)! I took a spill
in mine and I just got back up. The hip pads saved me that time. Also if you
are really paranoid, you can get a spine protector that is like the racing
ones, but fits in the suit. I can't remember who makes them.

Also the knee pads are great if you lanesplit alot and are afraid of
smacking a knee on a fender!

The only issue I have with the one piece is that it makes it look like you
are wearing a snowsuit with diaper underneath (with the hip pads).

V

"rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...
>

For daily street riding I wear jeans and a leather jacket with shoulder,
elbow, and forearm armour.  For weekend canyon carving I wear full leathers
and armour.  Of course I ALWAYS wear a helmet, gloves, and ankle covering
boots.

Moss Shimek
'01 SV650

Remember, one leg at a time, and get into them from the TOP, not over your
head! Also, try unzipping them! ;)

V


"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message
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> Vincerama wrote:
>
> > Hey Beth, it takes 3 minutes to put on the overpants?
>
> what can i say? i'm slow! :)
>
> -Beth
>
> '00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
> http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
> DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
> CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

"jim rozen" <jrr0@watson.ibm.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Vincerama wrote:
>
8< yadda yadda roadcrafter....8<

>
> Big plus with roadcrafter - it's easy to use, so you use it each time.
> The venting's good, so you can wear it on mild summer days, and
> it keeps you way warm in the wintertime, add lots of sweaters
> and wool long johns underneath.  Lots of pockets for junk, and
> build in scotchlight panels.  Reasonably waterproof in all but a
> downpour.  Except for the dreaded wet-crotch-spot.  Hey,
> you ride a motorbike in January, nobody's gonna laugh at you,
> wet spot or not.
>
> I commute pretty much year round (13 miles each way) in teh
> NY metro area - and the 1 piece aerostich was the single best
> piece of bike gear I've ever bought, and it's lasted 5 years
> with only minor (velcro, zipper) repair.
>
> I don't wear it, though, when the temps are above 80F or so.
>
> Jim

I agree. I actually bought mine used from ba.moto denizen. He was a touch
shorter than me, but it was a good deal and it fits me pretty well, except
for a slight wedgie, which I enjoy anyway ;)

For commuting, nothing can beat it. You are never caught without rain
protection, except the crotch thing. My poor leathers only get occasional
weekend use now or for when I want to look "cool" in head to two black
leathers and dark sunglasses (and matching shotgun).

V

"rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...

Hein Gericke Hiprotec.

Really pleased with it.
Very comfortable, flexible and still passes all the European CE safety
checks.

Been down the road with it once, a relatively low-speed high-side and no
damage - well grazed leathers :-(

Knees, hip, back and elbows.
Not track stuff but makes the necessary compromises for comfortable road use
without giving up too much safety.

It doesn't look as if it should work, but tests show it as very effective.
If you've never seen it, it's like knobbly rubber - nice :-)
( go to www.hein-gericke.com, pick your language, then search for 'hiprotec
comfort' for add-on for any leathers )

Bad-Boy

rookie wrote:
>
> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...

I'm real partial to the sap gloves sold in some cop shops. The
powdered lead protects your hands very effectively whenever you
punch a cager. Oh, you mean for crashing? None. I quit crashing
years ago and suggest y'all do likewise. Crashing sucks!

Vincerama wrote:

> Hey Beth, it takes 3 minutes to put on the overpants? The Aerostich
> Roadcrafter one-piece I have takes literally 10 seconds to put on, most of
> the time is just zipping up the two zippers. It fits over all your cloths
> and takes about 5 seconds to take off! The hardest part is getting your
> right boot into the right leg. (The left side is open from left ankle to
> chin. The right side zip is from right ankle to crotch, so it's that right
> leg hole that is the only sticking point, but you get good at it). I tell
> you, for commuting, it is the ultimate! Wth the optional (and recommended)
> hip and back pads in, you are ready for the road (literally)! I took a spill
> in mine and I just got back up. The hip pads saved me that time. Also if you
> are really paranoid, you can get a spine protector that is like the racing
> ones, but fits in the suit. I can't remember who makes them.

Big plus with roadcrafter - it's easy to use, so you use it each time.
The venting's good, so you can wear it on mild summer days, and
it keeps you way warm in the wintertime, add lots of sweaters
and wool long johns underneath.  Lots of pockets for junk, and
build in scotchlight panels.  Reasonably waterproof in all but a
downpour.  Except for the dreaded wet-crotch-spot.  Hey,
you ride a motorbike in January, nobody's gonna laugh at you,
wet spot or not.

I commute pretty much year round (13 miles each way) in teh
NY metro area - and the 1 piece aerostich was the single best
piece of bike gear I've ever bought, and it's lasted 5 years
with only minor (velcro, zipper) repair.

I don't wear it, though, when the temps are above 80F or so.

Jim

"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message
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> Vincerama wrote:
> >
> > Remember, one leg at a time, and get into them from the TOP, not over
your
> > head! Also, try unzipping them! ;)
>
> LOL.
>
> did i ever tell this group my "countersteering a horse" story? about the
> same "DUUUH" factor. ;) at least the horse had the good sense to NOT
> bite me.
>
> -Beth

They beauty of a horse is that they don't run into trees or wipe out into
corners or fall into ditches and you can fall asleep on them. Also, they
come pre-wrapped in leather!
(And if you are lost in the artic and you have a lightsaber, you can stay
warm in one...no wait...)

V

"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message
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> jim rozen wrote:
>
> > Big plus with roadcrafter - it's easy to use, so you use it each time.
>
> same w/ the Motoport pants or their full suit, which is a 'Stitch clone.
> same idea of "easy in - easy out."
>
> i'm just a slightly clumsy person. yes, be afraid. i also tend to move
> slowly because i knock things over and fall over a lot if i don't watch
> it. so, maybe 3 min is an exaggeration. i don't time myself. i'm sure it
> takes me less than a minute to put them on. ;)
>
> i'm planning a trip in the Nevada desert[1] and i'm wondering what type
> of suit i should use. i need something that'll breathe and is
> easy-in-easy out. the Roadcrafter's looking like the choice but it's
> gotta be a VERY light color.
>
> > I don't wear it, though, when the temps are above 80F or so.

The interesting thing about one-piece suits is that you can get into them
while standing up, unlike pants. Also you don't have to thread your leg in
with the stich.

The stich can get really toasty, but only in the forearms and maybe the
calves. I haven't tried yet, but I think I can relieve forearm sweatiness
instead of zipping up the forearms and putting the gloves over the suit, I
left the forearms unzipped and tucked the gloves in...then some air can blow
up the sleeve and keep them cool. The problem is that when the air is
hot...you will be hot, no matter what you are wearing!
With the stich, you can at least pull over and zip off the suit in a few
seconds for some relief.

Another nice thing about the full suit is that there is no real "waistline"
that will constrict you and get sweaty, and you can wear shorts under the
suit, if you so desire. I prefer to wear only a thong speedo and tanktop
when I ride... ;) (as if)

V

Moss Shimek wrote:
>
> "rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9j6n4v$lu6vf$1@ID-62362.news.dfncis.de...
> > What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> > Knee? etc...
> >
>
> For daily street riding I wear jeans and a leather jacket with shoulder,
> elbow, and forearm armour.  For weekend canyon carving I wear full leathers
> and armour.  Of course I ALWAYS wear a helmet, gloves, and ankle covering
> boots.

daily street riding is where you're going to encounter the most cars and
the highest amount of X-factor(tm) (people doing stupid things, etc.)

i've been thinking about this a bunch lately because of another thread.
i commute a measly 4 miles to work. 8 miles a day that's probably the
most dangerous miles i ride due to the fact that i'm on surface streets
with a ton of intersections and off ramps, riding during rush hour and
in a high traffic density area that's currently being ripped apart for
construction. i'd wear my helmet, fully armored jacket (back, elbows,
forearms, shoulders), Sidi Start boots, Teknic gloves and jeans.
wait...that's about 1/2 my body still mostly exposed, including my HIPS
and KNEES. it takes me about 3 minutes to zip on my armored Motoport
overpants. it may literally save my ass if some dipshit with a cel phone
shoved in his/her ear, thumb inserted up rectum and head in the clouds
decided to pull and idiot maneuver and i make a mistake and can't avoid
him/her. so, now i wear the pants too.

random thought: excellent health insurance is great but your body STILL
has to recover from your injuries if you bail. unfortunately, you can't
wave insurance $$$ in front of your broken knee caps to make them heal
faster. so, why not wear the gear and possibly REDUCE injury in the
first place?

-Beth

'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

Vincerama wrote:

> Hey Beth, it takes 3 minutes to put on the overpants?

what can i say? i'm slow! :)

-Beth

'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:20:49 -0700, "rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...

Full leathers (2 piece zip-together) in Spring, Summer and Autumn.
Goretex jacket and jeans with thermal liner in Winter. All with CE
approved armour - not HiProtec but to the same standards -
(forearm/elbow, shoulder, back, hip and knee/shin) fixed inside. High
boots with ankle armour and shinplate, leather gloves (long cuffs) with
double layered palms and kevlar protectors for the knuckles. Oh, and a
proper helmet, of course.

All bog standard stuff, really.

I rather prefer to sweat than to grow new skin ;)
--
I used to be open-minded but my brains kept falling out...

Tom :{) XJ650, SR500
OSOS#15 BOTAFOT#105 COFF#2/

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:08:32 GMT, Beth <beffie@texas.net> wrote:

> Moss Shimek wrote:
> >
> > "rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9j6n4v$lu6vf$1@ID-62362.news.dfncis.de...
> > > What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> > > Knee? etc...
> > >
> >
> > For daily street riding I wear jeans and a leather jacket with shoulder,
> > elbow, and forearm armour.  For weekend canyon carving I wear full leathers
> > and armour.  Of course I ALWAYS wear a helmet, gloves, and ankle covering
> > boots.
>
> daily street riding is where you're going to encounter the most cars and
> the highest amount of X-factor(tm) (people doing stupid things, etc.)

Yep.

<snip true stuff>

> random thought: excellent health insurance is great but your body STILL
> has to recover from your injuries if you bail. unfortunately, you can't
> wave insurance $$$ in front of your broken knee caps to make them heal
> faster. so, why not wear the gear and possibly REDUCE injury in the
> first place?

That's what it's all about.
Wearing the best protection gear you can afford can't protect you from
having a spill but it will lessen the negative results.

--
I used to be open-minded but my brains kept falling out...

Tom :{) XJ650, SR500
OSOS#15 BOTAFOT#105 COFF#2/

rookie <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...

Don't phuck with your life.  I wear full leathers with shoulder, forearm,
knee and hip amor, plus a bohn back-protector every time I ride.

jim rozen wrote:

> Big plus with roadcrafter - it's easy to use, so you use it each time.

same w/ the Motoport pants or their full suit, which is a 'Stitch clone.
same idea of "easy in - easy out."

i'm just a slightly clumsy person. yes, be afraid. i also tend to move
slowly because i knock things over and fall over a lot if i don't watch
it. so, maybe 3 min is an exaggeration. i don't time myself. i'm sure it
takes me less than a minute to put them on. ;)

i'm planning a trip in the Nevada desert[1] and i'm wondering what type
of suit i should use. i need something that'll breathe and is
easy-in-easy out. the Roadcrafter's looking like the choice but it's
gotta be a VERY light color.

> I don't wear it, though, when the temps are above 80F or so.

one thing i love about the Motoport pants is that the Cordura doesn't
have any sort of inner lining or coating like most Cordura. just the
open weave, like jeans. built well. i think 'Stitch still has some
advantages over the 'Port because of how it's built but the 'Port's good
too. ;) i can wear them in 100 degree heat and they breathe like, if not
better than, jeans. they'd be splendid if they weren't BLACK. ack.
they're warm in the winter when i zip in the Goretex liner. i'm getting
one of those electric vests for this winter and some electric glove
liners (Held makes them) to keep my other "bits" warm. ;) even w/o
'lectrics, w/ my Bellstaff Merlin jacket w/ liner, i'm quite toasty.
can't wear that jacket if it's over 75 degrees, though. HOT!!!

-Beth

'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

[1] - details to be shared when they come about. ;) THAT'S why i'm
considering buying a KLR650 soon!

Vincerama wrote:
>
> Remember, one leg at a time, and get into them from the TOP, not over your
> head! Also, try unzipping them! ;)

LOL.

did i ever tell this group my "countersteering a horse" story? about the
same "DUUUH" factor. ;) at least the horse had the good sense to NOT
bite me.

-Beth

'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

"rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...
>

Jeans, Joe Rocket Meteor jacket, Olympia gloves.

-g

"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message
news:3B57944F.4D6A06AF@texas.net...
> Vincerama wrote:
>
> > (And if you are lost in the artic and you have a lightsaber, you can
stay
> > warm in one...no wait...)
>
> i was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO grossed out at that scene when i saw it as a
> kid in the theater!!! then again, when i saw Star Wars for the first
> time, it scared the shit out of me.
>
> -Beth, 28 so i was...what...7 when i saw it?

My little brother fell asleep during Return of the Jedi!
Anyway, gutting Banthas for artic survical is in the Jedi Scout handbook, so
don't make fun of it! The Jedi Scout motto has always been "Be Prepared, and
if all else fails, use the Force"

But hey, you gotta love that hovercycle chase through the trees in Return of
the Jedi. Awesome! I wonder if there is a HSF (Hovercycle Safety Foundation)
course for Ewoks...

OK, enough of this....

V

Vincerama wrote:

> (And if you are lost in the artic and you have a lightsaber, you can stay
> warm in one...no wait...)

i was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO grossed out at that scene when i saw it as a
kid in the theater!!! then again, when i saw Star Wars for the first
time, it scared the shit out of me.

-Beth, 28 so i was...what...7 when i saw it?

'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

Beth <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message news:3B57944F.4D6A06AF@texas.net...
> Vincerama wrote:
>
> > (And if you are lost in the artic and you have a lightsaber, you can
stay
> > warm in one...no wait...)
>
> i was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO grossed out at that scene when i saw it as a
> kid in the theater!!! then again, when i saw Star Wars for the first
> time, it scared the shit out of me.
>
> -Beth, 28 so i was...what...7 when i saw it?

Somehow, I feel so....old.



--

  -- jenner

>Somehow, I feel so....old.
>
>
>
i was 30 then.....
creak,
groan,
 sniffle,
 wheeze.

"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote

> oups. ;) sorry to make everyone feel OLD.

Not everyone, just the old geezers...  Grandma.

Matt
--
DoD # 2225
'82 CM 250  '76 CB 400F

eword wrote:
>
> >Somehow, I feel so....old.
> >
> >
> >
> i was 30 then.....
> creak,
> groan,
>  sniffle,
>  wheeze.

oups. ;) sorry to make everyone feel OLD.

-Beth

'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

"Armin Scheans" <ascheans@twmi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "eword" <vze3tsx4@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Zu%57.83970$H37.1448024@news.easynews.com...
> >
> > >oups. ;) sorry to make everyone feel OLD.
> >
> > its ok if your purty.
>
> Old is when you remember chasing girls, but can't remember why.

No, old is when, uh, um, what was I saying?

V

A S&W 659 in a left-handed shoulder holster so I can still use the
throttle.  Remember: Gun control is a steady hand :).

rookie wrote:
>
> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...

Matt Chapter wrote:
>
> "Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote
>
> > oups. ;) sorry to make everyone feel OLD.
>
> Not everyone, just the old geezers...  Grandma.

better watch it, kiddo. i'll whack you with my walker.

-Beth

'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

>
>oups. ;) sorry to make everyone feel OLD.
>
>-Beth
>
>'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
>http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
>DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
>CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)
its ok if your purty.

"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message
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> Matt Chapter wrote:
> >
> > "Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote
> >
> > > oups. ;) sorry to make everyone feel OLD.
> >
> > Not everyone, just the old geezers...  Grandma.
>
> better watch it, kiddo. i'll whack you with my walker.
>

The worst part was watching all the little dorks in my college dorm getting
excited a bout the re-release a few years back. I saw it in the theatre
already. that made me feel old.

Shaw





> -Beth
>
> '00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
> http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
> DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
> CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

"eword" <vze3tsx4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> >oups. ;) sorry to make everyone feel OLD.
>
> its ok if your purty.

Old is when you remember chasing girls, but can't remember why.

----
Armin
DoD #2221

Kris10 wrote:

> The worst part was watching all the little dorks in my college dorm getting
> excited a bout the re-release a few years back. I saw it in the theatre
> already. that made me feel old.

dorks will be dorks. ;)

-Beth

'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)

rookie wrote in message <9j6n4v$lu6vf$1@ID-62362.news.dfncis.de>...
>What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
>Knee? etc...


For daily commuting and nearby canyon rides, I have a Brosh jacket which I
bought used XXL.  It includes shoulder, elbow, and forearm armor with kevlar
patches at those points.  The rest of the jacket is a very light (even
flimsy) windbreaker material with forearm, armpit, and back vents.  All but
the armpits are zippered.

I am thinking of adding a Bohn back protector to this
(www.actionstation.com), since that is not an option from Brosh, although
the ventilation may be affected.  The real strength of the Brosh is that you
are not tempted to ride without at least some protection.  However, it is
clearly not in the same league as leathers or an Aerostich.  But for hot
weather, I think it's a good compromise.

As far as pants, I usually only wear jeans...I haven't seen any hot weather
pants.

From your spelling, I take it you are in the UK?  I also have a Triumph
Trophy jacket for cold weather, armor is available for the shoulders and
elbows as well.

Hank Murphy
1999 Triumph Tiger "Full Moon"
DoD#Ultra5

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:50:29 GMT, "Hank Murphy"
<hmurphy@earthlink.net> wrote:

>rookie wrote in message <9j6n4v$lu6vf$1@ID-62362.news.dfncis.de>...
>>What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
>>Knee? etc...

>From your spelling, I take it you are in the UK?  I also have a Triumph
>Trophy jacket for cold weather, armor is available for the shoulders and
>elbows as well.

That looks like a German server address, though ... and Australians,
New Zealanders and South Africans use British spelling too (not sure
about the Canucks)

In article <9j6n4v$lu6vf$1@ID-62362.news.dfncis.de>, "rookie"
<rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote:

> What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> Knee? etc...

Usually an Aerostich with TFT2 armor for knees, elbows, and shoulders,
hip pads, protective cup, back protector, helmet. Sometimes I wear a
cool Pesci Sport leather racing suit instead of the Aerostich.

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In article <9j8qb7$345$3@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
 "Vincerama" <nosey@fakeemail.com> wrote:

>"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message
>news:3B57944F.4D6A06AF@texas.net...
>> Vincerama wrote:
>>
>> > (And if you are lost in the artic and you have a lightsaber, you can
>stay
>> > warm in one...no wait...)
>>
>> i was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO grossed out at that scene when i saw it as a
>> kid in the theater!!! then again, when i saw Star Wars for the first
>> time, it scared the shit out of me.
>>
>> -Beth, 28 so i was...what...7 when i saw it?
>
>My little brother fell asleep during Return of the Jedi!
>Anyway, gutting Banthas for artic survical is in the Jedi Scout handbook, so
>don't make fun of it! The Jedi Scout motto has always been "Be Prepared, and
>if all else fails, use the Force"
>
>But hey, you gotta love that hovercycle chase through the trees in Return of
>the Jedi. Awesome! I wonder if there is a HSF (Hovercycle Safety Foundation)
>course for Ewoks...
>
>OK, enough of this....
>
>V



Yeah, but they SOOOOOO fucked up that scene.  You cut the bantha viscera
LATERALLY, not longitudinally.  The way Han did it, you'll sever the spleens and
get bantha bile all over Luke.  Better to split the gut below the third membrane.

Charles

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In article <3B5898BF.FCF88D5@texas.net>, Beth <beffie@texas.net> wrote:

>Kris10 wrote:
>
>> The worst part was watching all the little dorks in my college dorm getting
>> excited a bout the re-release a few years back. I saw it in the theatre
>> already. that made me feel old.
>
>dorks will be dorks. ;)
>
>-Beth
>
>'00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo"
>http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie
>DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist
>CMRA Team Greezy Kitty (formerly TEAM JESUS CLIP)



Melissa and I went to the re-release, as both of us had seen the original as
kiddies (no 'rents-drop off time, baybee!).  We thought it was the most boring
movie ever.

Charles

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Free Tibet!*
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Can you believe what Armin Scheans said!?
>
>"eword" <vze3tsx4@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:Zu%57.83970$H37.1448024@news.easynews.com...
>>
>> >oups. ;) sorry to make everyone feel OLD.
>>
>> its ok if your purty.
>
>Old is when you remember chasing girls, but can't remember why.
>
>----
>Armin
>DoD #2221
>

no old is when you catch them and forget...oh yeah she needs to go buy milk

Keith---I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the
morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.  Sinatra

"Sherpa Dave" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:3b5b7725.524744@127.0.0.1...
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:03:39 GMT, clasqm@mweb.co.za (Michel Clasquin)
> wrote:
>
> Canucks use the *correct* spelling.
>

Oh, yeah?

How many letters does it take to spell 'Canada'?


























3!

You got a 'c', eh? Then, you got an 'n', eh?, Then you got a 'd', eh!

>>>>What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
>>>>Knee? etc...

Look for polynorbonene. This is the best in EEC tests. I only know of
Hideout Leathers that sell it, but maybe a websearch would find more
suppliers?

"Hank Murphy" <hmurphy@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<V9k67.4922$Xn.526337@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> rookie wrote in message <9j6n4v$lu6vf$1@ID-62362.news.dfncis.de>...
> >What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> >Knee? etc...
>
>
> For daily commuting and nearby canyon rides, I have a Brosh jacket which I
> bought used XXL.  It includes shoulder, elbow, and forearm armor with kevlar
> patches at those points.  The rest of the jacket is a very light (even
> flimsy) windbreaker material with forearm, armpit, and back vents.  All but
> the armpits are zippered.
>
> I am thinking of adding a Bohn back protector to this
> (www.actionstation.com), since that is not an option from Brosh, although
> the ventilation may be affected.  The real strength of the Brosh is that you
> are not tempted to ride without at least some protection.  However, it is
> clearly not in the same league as leathers or an Aerostich.  But for hot
> weather, I think it's a good compromise.
>
> As far as pants, I usually only wear jeans...I haven't seen any hot weather
> pants.
>
> From your spelling, I take it you are in the UK?  I also have a Triumph
> Trophy jacket for cold weather, armor is available for the shoulders and
> elbows as well.
>
> Hank Murphy
> 1999 Triumph Tiger "Full Moon"
> DoD#Ultra5
Hello Hank,
My name is Vicki and i am from Brosh.
About back protector: we do have back protector for the jacket, please
take a look at our site www.brosh.com , at the summer jacket page you
can see the back protector.
We also have a cool summer pants, please take a look at our site.
Ride safe !
Regards,
Vicki

"Bad-Boy" <bad-boy@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<995550413.177243@pengu.britain.agilent.com>...
> "rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9j6n4v$lu6vf$1@ID-62362.news.dfncis.de...
> > What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
> > Knee? etc...
>
> Hein Gericke Hiprotec.
>
> Really pleased with it.
> Very comfortable, flexible and still passes all the European CE safety
> checks.

NO NO NO NO NO NO!

CE is NOT a safety check, it HAS NOTHING to do with safety.
The CE people say so themselves, it is nothing more than "approved for
sale in the EU".

Dissagree with the facts and truth all you want.
Usenet or not the fact still remains you are deluding
yourself if you think thay CE means anything safetywise.

Read this quote and follow the link that it is taken from
and then believe what you want.

<quote>
The answer to this question (like the second question
answered first) is at two levels. The first is to say that the
letters "C" and "E" are French, and stand for
conformitâ�‚��„�e
europâ�‚��„�eenne. Now you are really able to impress
your
people.
The second is to define what conformitâ�‚��„�e
europâ�‚��„�eenne
means,
which (in English) means simply, "this conforms with
European requirements." But, be careful. For the CE mark,
even if properly placed on a good, is not a safety mark. It
does not mean that the good is safe, or that it is not defective
or unreasonable dangerous. The CE mark is not supposed to
be used as a marketing tool, either. It is likewise not a seal of
approval by the EU or any member-state government. The CE
mark is not a "stamp of approval," whether by the folks at
Good Housekeeping, or by the government. Instead, the CE
mark is the manufacturerâ�‚��„�s declaration that its
good
complies
with minimum technical standards required by the EU. The
EU Two-Step
</quote>

here is a link to the entire article
http://www.boeschlaw.com/seminar.html

PS: miminum TECHNICAL standards are not the
same as SAFETY standards. Everything from
tampons to cd-roms are marked CE, think about
that when you think CE means anything about SAFETY.

Get educated about things, I hope you get it right
before you get it wrong on the road.


> Been down the road with it once, a relatively low-speed high-side and no
> damage - well grazed leathers :-(
>
> Knees, hip, back and elbows.
> Not track stuff but makes the necessary compromises for comfortable road use
> without giving up too much safety.
>
> It doesn't look as if it should work, but tests show it as very effective.
> If you've never seen it, it's like knobbly rubber - nice :-)
> ( go to www.hein-gericke.com, pick your language, then search for 'hiprotec
> comfort' for add-on for any leathers )
>
> Bad-Boy

On 17 Aug 2001 18:35:10 -0700, jarrodhroberson@yahoo.com (Y2KYZFR1)
wrote:

>"Bad-Boy" <bad-boy@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<995550413.177243@pengu.britain.agilent.com>...
>> "rookie" <rook_ki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9j6n4v$lu6vf$1@ID-62362.news.dfncis.de...
>> > What type of armour do you wear? Brand? Chest? Back? Shoulder? Elbow? Hip?
>> > Knee? etc...
>>
>> Hein Gericke Hiprotec.
>>
>> Really pleased with it.
>> Very comfortable, flexible and still passes all the European CE safety
>> checks.
>
>NO NO NO NO NO NO!
>
>CE is NOT a safety check, it HAS NOTHING to do with safety.
>The CE people say so themselves, it is nothing more than "approved for
>sale in the EU".
>
Not necessarily true, but certainly likely....

The CE mark means the product complies with the applicable EU
directives, which don't necessarily have to do with Safety, i.e. could
be labeling, materials, dimensional specifications, and I believe it
is Self Certifying. Basically the testing company gives the product
the once over to make sure it meets the directives and that's it. Once
it has been blessed, you can apply the CE mark forever.

Whereas a UL or CSA mark means that a completely independent test
laboratory has verified that meets all applicable standards for
listing (which are lot more comprehensive then EU directives), and
will re-test random samples of the line, and show up at your factory
unannouced to conduct inspections several times per year to make sure
that the product is being built to the approved specification. You
flunk the inspection, and the inspector will remove the labels with
the CSA or UL insignia on the spot, and deface the ones already on
equipment....

On 17 Aug 2001 18:35:10 -0700, jarrodhroberson@yahoo.com (Y2KYZFR1)
wrote:

>CE is NOT a safety check, it HAS NOTHING to do with safety.
>The CE people say so themselves, it is nothing more than "approved for
>sale in the EU".

I have thousands of dollars in photo equipment all with the CE mark.
Somehow I don't think this means that it's safer to use than any photo
equipment without it.  AFAIK, the CE mark is also the newer version of
the "Passed" stickers you saw (especially on cameras) 15-20 years ago.

Larynx


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"Larynx" <larynx*ME@*MEcox.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 17 Aug 2001 18:35:10 -0700, jarrodhroberson@yahoo.com (Y2KYZFR1)
> wrote:
>
> >CE is NOT a safety check, it HAS NOTHING to do with safety.
> >The CE people say so themselves, it is nothing more than "approved for
> >sale in the EU".
>
> I have thousands of dollars in photo equipment all with the CE mark.
> Somehow I don't think this means that it's safer to use than any photo
> equipment without it.  AFAIK, the CE mark is also the newer version of
> the "Passed" stickers you saw (especially on cameras) 15-20 years ago.

The CE mark as has been said means approved for sale in the UK.
HOWEVER, for a kids toy this means it has passed necessary safety checks for
th eage range of the toy.

For us boys with big toys, it means helmets and armour which has passed a
stringent safety test.
So CE approved armour has EVERYTHING to do with safety.

Unfortunately, it is VERY easy to forge the CE mark and a lot of 'wrong' (
read illegal ) marking goes on.

Bad-Boy

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:36:23 +0100, "Bad-Boy"
<bad-boy@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>For us boys with big toys, it means helmets and armour which has passed a
>stringent safety test.
>So CE approved armour has EVERYTHING to do with safety.
>
>Unfortunately, it is VERY easy to forge the CE mark and a lot of 'wrong' (
>read illegal ) marking goes on.

I did a little digging around and came up with this from the CE site:

http://www.ce-marking.org/directive-89686eec-PPE.html

It doesn't have Annex II so I ordered a copy and will read it to see
what it says, but so far I haven't seen anything that indicates that
the directives for CE marking is any different than government
regulations we have here.  To me, it so far seems to be that the
directives means there is some minimum safety level that has been set
(by bureaucrats) and that personal protective equipment (PPE) must
achieve that in order to be CE marked.  Until I read the annex I have
no way of knowing how armor being CE marked compares to, say, helmets
being "Snell approved".

One other thing is that if one company's armor was never intended for
sale in the EU and is not CE marked, it doesn't necessarily mean that
armor is inferior to one that is for sale in the EU and is CE marked.

So, yes, being CE marked has some level of safety associated with it,
but, to me, what level that is is up in the air for the moment.

I'll read the directive and post the pertinent pages to try to come up
with a definitive answer to what "CE marked armor" really means.

Larynx

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I think the CE mark ALSO requires that the helmet meet the Z90 standard
established by the Snell Foundation for motorcycle helmets. There are
subsections for other helmet applications (like Z90.2 for bicycle helmets).

These standards were initially set up on the 50's and remain pretty much
unchanged through to today. Every governmental approval process that I have
ever heard of has adopted the Z90 standard. I can't imagine that the CE
standard would accept less.

Hal


Larynx wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:36:23 +0100, "Bad-Boy"
> <bad-boy@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >For us boys with big toys, it means helmets and armour which has passed a
> >stringent safety test.
> >So CE approved armour has EVERYTHING to do with safety.
> >
> >Unfortunately, it is VERY easy to forge the CE mark and a lot of 'wrong' (
> >read illegal ) marking goes on.
>
> I did a little digging around and came up with this from the CE site:
>
> http://www.ce-marking.org/directive-89686eec-PPE.html
>
> It doesn't have Annex II so I ordered a copy and will read it to see
> what it says, but so far I haven't seen anything that indicates that
> the directives for CE marking is any different than government
> regulations we have here.  To me, it so far seems to be that the
> directives means there is some minimum safety level that has been set
> (by bureaucrats) and that personal protective equipment (PPE) must
> achieve that in order to be CE marked.  Until I read the annex I have
> no way of knowing how armor being CE marked compares to, say, helmets
> being "Snell approved".
>
> One other thing is that if one company's armor was never intended for
> sale in the EU and is not CE marked, it doesn't necessarily mean that
> armor is inferior to one that is for sale in the EU and is CE marked.
>
> So, yes, being CE marked has some level of safety associated with it,
> but, to me, what level that is is up in the air for the moment.
>
> I'll read the directive and post the pertinent pages to try to come up
> with a definitive answer to what "CE marked armor" really means.
>
> Larynx
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"Hal Wadleigh" <hwadleigh@charter.net> wrote in message
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...
> These standards were initially set up on the 50's and remain pretty much
> unchanged through to today. Every governmental approval process that I
have
> ever heard of has adopted the Z90 standard. I can't imagine that the CE
> standard would accept less.

There was ( and still is in some quarters ) concern that the CE approval
procedures and marking for helmets is NOT as stringent as the UK
green and blue labels and ACU gold stamp.

To the layman this seems more process than design. UK helmet standard
required test on each batch of helmets before being assingned a mark. CE is
on the *design*, so one test as opposed to lots. This makes it cheaper
and explains why traditionally European helmets are cheaper that "British"
market ones :-(

Bad-Boy