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GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
> I want to build a new PC which will meet all the requirements for W11.
> When I think about it, I'm really quite a light user, these days. Mainly
> browsing and TBird. A bit of word processing and lightweight spreadsheets.
>
> I built a PC for my DW 4 or 5 years ago, and it seems to work okay. It's
> a 3200G CPU with a A320 motherboard. That seems a generation or two out
> of date now.
>
> What should I build now?

Do you actually need to build? There are cheap mini PCs in the <£300
bracket, using laptop CPUs. If you don't have any particular requirements
one may suffice. Check Amazon, Aliexpress - mostly Chinese  brands you've
never heard of.

Theo

On 07/01/2025 in message <ASw*Rj23z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote:

>GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>I want to build a new PC which will meet all the requirements for W11.
>>When I think about it, I'm really quite a light user, these days. Mainly
>>browsing and TBird. A bit of word processing and lightweight spreadsheets.
>>
>>I built a PC for my DW 4 or 5 years ago, and it seems to work okay. It's
>>a 3200G CPU with a A320 motherboard. That seems a generation or two out
>>of date now.
>>
>>What should I build now?
>
>Do you actually need to build? There are cheap mini PCs in the <£300
>bracket, using laptop CPUs. If you don't have any particular requirements
>one may suffice. Check Amazon, Aliexpress - mostly Chinese  brands you've
>never heard of.
>
>Theo

"NUC" is a good search term to throw up mini PCs, you will have to pick
and choose, they don't all have mini prices!

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Are you confused about gender?
Try milking a bull, you'll learn real quick.

On 07/01/2025 20:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 07/01/2025 in message <ASw*Rj23z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
> wrote:
>
>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>> I want to build a new PC which will meet all the requirements for W11.
>>> When I think about it, I'm really quite a light user, these days. Mainly
>>> browsing and TBird. A bit of word processing and lightweight
>>> spreadsheets.
>>>
>>> I built a PC for my DW 4 or 5 years ago, and it seems to work okay. It's
>>> a 3200G CPU with a A320 motherboard. That seems a generation or two out
>>> of date now.
>>>
>>> What should I build now?
>>
>> Do you actually need to build? There are cheap mini PCs in the <£300
>> bracket, using laptop CPUs. If you don't have any particular requirements
>> one may suffice. Check Amazon, Aliexpress - mostly Chinese  brands you've
>> never heard of.
>>
>> Theo
>
> "NUC" is a good search term to throw up mini PCs, you will have to pick
> and choose, they don't all have mini prices!
>

I can get a N100 mini PC from Amazon for around £160, and I thought of
that, but I might want a bit more power. Also, I have got used to
working with the security of mirrored hard drives, although I am not
sure I need  that since I've retired from work.

For £140, I can get:
£50 - 3200G
£60 - Mobo (seems to be A520 these days)
£30 - 16GB of DDR4


So, it's not like the N100 option is cheaper?

On 08/01/2025 in message <vllorn$2oj2b$3@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

>On 07/01/2025 20:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>On 07/01/2025 in message <ASw*Rj23z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
>>wrote:
>>
>>>GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>I want to build a new PC which will meet all the requirements for W11.
>>>>When I think about it, I'm really quite a light user, these days. Mainly
>>>>browsing and TBird. A bit of word processing and lightweight
>>>>spreadsheets.
>>>>
>>>>I built a PC for my DW 4 or 5 years ago, and it seems to work okay. It's
>>>>a 3200G CPU with a A320 motherboard. That seems a generation or two out
>>>>of date now.
>>>>
>>>>What should I build now?
>>>
>>>Do you actually need to build? There are cheap mini PCs in the <£300
>>>bracket, using laptop CPUs. If you don't have any particular requirements
>>>one may suffice. Check Amazon, Aliexpress - mostly Chinese  brands
>>>you've
>>>never heard of.
>>>
>>>Theo
>>
>>"NUC" is a good search term to throw up mini PCs, you will have to pick
>>and choose, they don't all have mini prices!
>>
>
>I can get a N100 mini PC from Amazon for around £160, and I thought of
>that, but I might want a bit more power. Also, I have got used to working
>with the security of mirrored hard drives, although I am not sure I need
>that since I've retired from work.
>
>For £140, I can get:
>£50 - 3200G
>£60 - Mobo (seems to be A520 these days)
>£30 - 16GB of DDR4
>
>
>So, it's not like the N100 option is cheaper?

My last new build was a Z790 motherboard so I am quite a way behind the
curve!

I tend to try and keep my old kit going as it runs Window 8.1 which treats
me as  grown up when it comes to updates!

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.

On 07/01/2025 20:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 07/01/2025 in message <ASw*Rj23z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
> wrote:
>
>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>> I want to build a new PC which will meet all the requirements for W11.
>>> When I think about it, I'm really quite a light user, these days. Mainly
>>> browsing and TBird. A bit of word processing and lightweight
>>> spreadsheets.
>>>
>>> I built a PC for my DW 4 or 5 years ago, and it seems to work okay. It's
>>> a 3200G CPU with a A320 motherboard. That seems a generation or two out
>>> of date now.
>>>
>>> What should I build now?
>>
>> Do you actually need to build? There are cheap mini PCs in the <£300
>> bracket, using laptop CPUs. If you don't have any particular requirements
>> one may suffice. Check Amazon, Aliexpress - mostly Chinese  brands you've
>> never heard of.
>>
>> Theo
>
> "NUC" is a good search term to throw up mini PCs, you will have to pick
> and choose, they don't all have mini prices!
>

One advantage of the N100 PCs is that the power usage is much lower on
standby, and my PC is on standby most of the time.

On 08/01/2025 12:24, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 08/01/2025 in message <vllorn$2oj2b$3@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
>
>> On 07/01/2025 20:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 07/01/2025 in message <ASw*Rj23z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> I want to build a new PC which will meet all the requirements for W11.
>>>>> When I think about it, I'm really quite a light user, these days.
>>>>> Mainly
>>>>> browsing and TBird. A bit of word processing and lightweight
>>>>> spreadsheets.
>>>>>
>>>>> I built a PC for my DW 4 or 5 years ago, and it seems to work okay.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> a 3200G CPU with a A320 motherboard. That seems a generation or two
>>>>> out
>>>>> of date now.
>>>>>
>>>>> What should I build now?
>>>>
>>>> Do you actually need to build? There are cheap mini PCs in the <£300
>>>> bracket, using laptop CPUs. If you don't have any particular
>>>> requirements
>>>> one may suffice. Check Amazon, Aliexpress - mostly Chinese  brands
>>>> you've
>>>> never heard of.
>>>>
>>>> Theo
>>>
>>> "NUC" is a good search term to throw up mini PCs, you will have to
>>> pick and choose, they don't all have mini prices!
>>>
>>
>> I can get a N100 mini PC from Amazon for around £160, and I thought of
>> that, but I might want a bit more power. Also, I have got used to
>> working with the security of mirrored hard drives, although I am not
>> sure I need that since I've retired from work.
>>
>> For £140, I can get:
>> £50 - 3200G
>> £60 - Mobo (seems to be A520 these days)
>> £30 - 16GB of DDR4
>>
>>
>> So, it's not like the N100 option is cheaper?
>
> My last new build was a Z790 motherboard so I am quite a way behind the
> curve!
>
> I tend to try and keep my old kit going as it runs Window 8.1 which
> treats me as  grown up when it comes to updates!
>

Windows 8.1 won't have troubled you much with updates over the last two
years!

On 08/01/2025 in message <vllthf$2pqti$2@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

>>I tend to try and keep my old kit going as it runs Window 8.1 which
>>treats me as  grown up when it comes to updates!
>>
>
>Windows 8.1 won't have troubled you much with updates over the last two
>years!

Some sort of updates come through, and they are down-loaded and installed
when it is convenient for ME!

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.
(Ken Olson, president Digital Equipment, 1977)

On 1/8/25 13:07, GB wrote:
> On 07/01/2025 20:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 07/01/2025 in message <ASw*Rj23z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
>> wrote:
>>
>>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>> I want to build a new PC which will meet all the requirements for W11.
>>>> When I think about it, I'm really quite a light user, these days.
>>>> Mainly
>>>> browsing and TBird. A bit of word processing and lightweight
>>>> spreadsheets.
>>>>
>>>> I built a PC for my DW 4 or 5 years ago, and it seems to work okay.
>>>> It's
>>>> a 3200G CPU with a A320 motherboard. That seems a generation or two out
>>>> of date now.
>>>>
>>>> What should I build now?
>>>
>>> Do you actually need to build? There are cheap mini PCs in the <£300
>>> bracket, using laptop CPUs. If you don't have any particular
>>> requirements
>>> one may suffice. Check Amazon, Aliexpress - mostly Chinese  brands
>>> you've
>>> never heard of.
>>>
>>> Theo
>>
>> "NUC" is a good search term to throw up mini PCs, you will have to
>> pick and choose, they don't all have mini prices!
>>
>
> One advantage of the N100 PCs is that the power usage is much lower on
> standby, and my PC is on standby most of the time.

The N100 certainly has a lower TDP than other AMD/Intel, but AIUI modern
CPUs have low idle. Standby?, maybe you should switch it off.

Maybe you need two PCs, a really low power one for browsing and general
always on use, and a big power hungry one for the few times you actually
need the power. You can even hide the big one away and RDP into it.

Why not try a Raspberry Pi 5? They work, Geekbench rates them not much
slower than a 3200G.

GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>
> I can get a N100 mini PC from Amazon for around £160, and I thought of
> that, but I might want a bit more power. Also, I have got used to
> working with the security of mirrored hard drives, although I am not
> sure I need  that since I've retired from work.
>
> For £140, I can get:
> £50 - 3200G
> £60 - Mobo (seems to be A520 these days)
> £30 - 16GB of DDR4

Storage?  Case?  PSU?  Are you planning on booting from HDD (slowly!), or
will you have a separate boot SSD from your HDDs?

I was thinking of the Ryzen mini PCs, the first hit on Amazon being:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BOSGAME-E2-Windows-Computers-Display/dp/B0DPGZ73ZS

£183 for a Ryzen 3550H, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, case and PSU.

According to CPUbenchmark.net:

N100: single thread score 1931, multi core 5476
3550H: single 2025, multi 7765
3200G: single 2204, multi 7122

On Aliexpress the first hit for a 3550H has a similar price including VAT.
There are plenty more options of other vendors/CPUs/configs.

If you do need space for multiple HDDs then a more standard mobo and case
may be preferable.

Theo

On 08/01/2025 14:52, Pancho wrote:
> Why not try a Raspberry Pi 5? They work, Geekbench rates them not much
> slower than a 3200G.

Indeed. They work well.

I have an 8GB Pi5 in an Argon NEO 5 NVME case with a 1TB SSD. It's just
like an ordinary PC ... rather boring for a Pi.

You'd pay ... (in round numbers, inc VAT)

Pi 5 8GB          £77
Case              £35
SSD               £50
PSU               £12
Micro-HDMI cable   £6 (or adapter)

So about £180 for the neatest little PC you've ever seen. One might want
to add a fiver for a battery for the onboard real-time clock in case the
Piis ever unplugged and is then run it without access to network time.

A micro-SD card or a USB flash drive would be needed to boot it to get
the OS onto the SSD.

Of course, it won't run Windows, but that's not a downside.

[Well, it will run ARM builds of Windows 10 or 11, but that's not
supported (by either MS or RPi) and a huge amount of Windows software is
only available in x86(64) builds, so what's the point?]

--
Cheers,
  Daniel.

On 08/01/2025 18:23, Daniel James wrote:
> On 08/01/2025 14:52, Pancho wrote:
>> Why not try a Raspberry Pi 5? They work, Geekbench rates them not much
>> slower than a 3200G.
>
> Indeed. They work well.
>
> I have an 8GB Pi5 in an Argon NEO 5 NVME case with a 1TB SSD. It's just
> like an ordinary PC ... rather boring for a Pi.
>
> You'd pay ... (in round numbers, inc VAT)
>
> Pi 5 8GB          £77
> Case              £35
> SSD               £50
> PSU               £12
> Micro-HDMI cable   £6 (or adapter)
>
> So about £180 for the neatest little PC you've ever seen. One might want
> to add a fiver for a battery for the onboard real-time clock in case the
> Piis ever unplugged and is then run it without access to network time.
>
> A micro-SD card or a USB flash drive would be needed to boot it to get
> the OS onto the SSD.
>
> Of course, it won't run Windows, but that's not a downside.
>
> [Well, it will run ARM builds of Windows 10 or 11, but that's not
> supported (by either MS or RPi) and a huge amount of Windows software is
> only available in x86(64) builds, so what's the point?]
>


I have a pi4, for my little robot, and I have a Jetson Orin on back
order, but this needs to run Windows.

On 08/01/2025 20:48, GB wrote:
> On 08/01/2025 18:23, Daniel James wrote:
>> On 08/01/2025 14:52, Pancho wrote:
>>> Why not try a Raspberry Pi 5? They work, Geekbench rates them not
>>> much slower than a 3200G.
>>
>> Indeed. They work well.
>>
>> I have an 8GB Pi5 in an Argon NEO 5 NVME case with a 1TB SSD. It's
>> just like an ordinary PC ... rather boring for a Pi.
>>
>> You'd pay ... (in round numbers, inc VAT)
>>
>> Pi 5 8GB          £77
>> Case              £35
>> SSD               £50
>> PSU               £12
>> Micro-HDMI cable   £6 (or adapter)
>>
>> So about £180 for the neatest little PC you've ever seen. One might
>> want to add a fiver for a battery for the onboard real-time clock in
>> case the Piis ever unplugged and is then run it without access to
>> network time.
>>
>> A micro-SD card or a USB flash drive would be needed to boot it to get
>> the OS onto the SSD.
>>
>> Of course, it won't run Windows, but that's not a downside.
>>
>> [Well, it will run ARM builds of Windows 10 or 11, but that's not
>> supported (by either MS or RPi) and a huge amount of Windows software
>> is only available in x86(64) builds, so what's the point?]
>>
>
>
> I have a pi4, for my little robot, and I have a Jetson Orin on back
> order, but this needs to run Windows.
>
>
I got some new boxed NEW HP RP5 5810 F6H32AV Retail POS System PC i5 4th
Gen 4GB RAM 500GB HDD Win 10
On e bay £149.99
If helps, I can do you one £100 delivered.

On 09/01/2025 09:03, Raj Kundra wrote:
> On 08/01/2025 20:48, GB wrote:
>> On 08/01/2025 18:23, Daniel James wrote:
>>> On 08/01/2025 14:52, Pancho wrote:
>>>> Why not try a Raspberry Pi 5? They work, Geekbench rates them not
>>>> much slower than a 3200G.
>>>
>>> Indeed. They work well.
>>>
>>> I have an 8GB Pi5 in an Argon NEO 5 NVME case with a 1TB SSD. It's
>>> just like an ordinary PC ... rather boring for a Pi.
>>>
>>> You'd pay ... (in round numbers, inc VAT)
>>>
>>> Pi 5 8GB          £77
>>> Case              £35
>>> SSD               £50
>>> PSU               £12
>>> Micro-HDMI cable   £6 (or adapter)
>>>
>>> So about £180 for the neatest little PC you've ever seen. One might
>>> want to add a fiver for a battery for the onboard real-time clock in
>>> case the Piis ever unplugged and is then run it without access to
>>> network time.
>>>
>>> A micro-SD card or a USB flash drive would be needed to boot it to
>>> get the OS onto the SSD.
>>>
>>> Of course, it won't run Windows, but that's not a downside.
>>>
>>> [Well, it will run ARM builds of Windows 10 or 11, but that's not
>>> supported (by either MS or RPi) and a huge amount of Windows software
>>> is only available in x86(64) builds, so what's the point?]
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have a pi4, for my little robot, and I have a Jetson Orin on back
>> order, but this needs to run Windows.
>>
>>
> I got some new boxed NEW HP RP5 5810 F6H32AV Retail POS System PC i5 4th
> Gen 4GB RAM 500GB HDD Win 10
> On e bay £149.99
> If helps, I can do you one £100 delivered.
>

Thanks for the kind offer, Raj, but I'm looking for a machine to meet
all the requirements for W11.

On 8 Jan 2025 at 18:23:58 GMT, "Daniel James" <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:

> [Well, it will run ARM builds of Windows 10 or 11, but that's not
> supported (by either MS or RPi) and a huge amount of Windows software is
> only available in x86(64) builds, so what's the point?]

Win/ARM runs intel code through a translater layer. It's not notably
slower, and runs almost everything - I've not met anything that it
doesn't like.

    Cheers - Jaimie
--
"What we have done with PCs so far is not natural"
 - Craig Mundie, CTO Microsoft

On 09/01/2025 10:26, GB wrote:
>
> Thanks for the kind offer, Raj, but I'm looking for a machine to meet
> all the requirements for W11.

When I bought my new machine a couple of years ago I got

AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics

as the CPU, 32GB of RAM and an NVME SSD.

That at the time was the top AMD CPU with built in graphics. The RAM
helps a load of things, often just by being disc cache - even though
that "disc" is pretty fast.

AMD plus built in graphics was a lot LOT cheaper than Intel plus a
separate graphics card. (I suppose I could have used my son's old gaming
card, but I like my quiet!)

Andy

On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 11:47:05 +0000, Vir Campestris wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 10:26, GB wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the kind offer, Raj, but I'm looking for a machine to meet
>> all the requirements for W11.
>
> When I bought my new machine a couple of years ago I got
>
> AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
>
> as the CPU, 32GB of RAM and an NVME SSD.
>
> That at the time was the top AMD CPU with built in graphics. The RAM
> helps a load of things, often just by being disc cache - even though
> that "disc" is pretty fast.
>
> AMD plus built in graphics was a lot LOT cheaper than Intel plus a
> separate graphics card. (I suppose I could have used my son's old gaming
> card, but I like my quiet!)
>
> Andy

Care to share the approximate price?

Thanks



Dave R


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On 22/01/2025 11:47, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 09/01/2025 10:26, GB wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the kind offer, Raj, but I'm looking for a machine to meet
>> all the requirements for W11.
>
> When I bought my new machine a couple of years ago I got
>
> AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics

I can't find any upgrade to the 3400G. Is that the latest one with
inbuilt graphics?


>
> as the CPU, 32GB of RAM and an NVME SSD.
>
> That at the time was the top AMD CPU with built in graphics. The RAM
> helps a load of things, often just by being disc cache - even though
> that "disc" is pretty fast.
>
> AMD plus built in graphics was a lot LOT cheaper than Intel plus a
> separate graphics card. (I suppose I could have used my son's old gaming
> card, but I like my quiet!)
>
> Andy

On 22/01/2025 13:38, GB wrote:
> I can't find any upgrade to the 3400G. Is that the latest one with
> inbuilt graphics?
The 3400G is still available.

Any Ryzen with a G (or GT) at the end of its number should have built-in
graphics (will require a compatible motherboard) including many newer
than the 3400G.

These things were hard to find a few years ago when I built the PC I'm
using now. I ended up getting a Ryzen Pro 4750G (a bit upmarket from
where I started) which (because it's a Pro) was only available as a
bundle with a motherboard (not quite the one I would have chosen but it
will do) from QuietPC.

The usual suspects all have plenty of stock these days. I see Scan have
the 5700G for £155.99, for example.

--
Cheers,
  Daniel.

On 22/01/2025 13:12, David wrote:
> Care to share the approximate price?

It's longer ago than I thought - I have 2019 files in my root folder -
so the price I paid won't have any relevance to today.

Andy