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On 21/05/2024 08:03, Davey wrote:
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/31/digital-landline-switchover-delayed-emergency-alarms-crisis/
>
> Suits me. I have no need of fibre, and my POTS handset will still work
> for longer in a power cut. The last time but one we had a power outage
> here, the mobile network was down too.
>
Read the footnote published on May 18th here:-

<https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/05/openreach-update-as-analogue-uk-phone-switch-off-delayed-to-2027.html>


In essence, unless you're defined as 'vulnerable' the switch off date
remains as Dec 2025

As pointed out multiple times in these threads, this is a totally
separate to the roll out of FTTP (which will still take 'forever')

On Tue, 21 May 2024 08:39:08 +0100, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 21/05/2024 08:03, Davey wrote:
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/31/digital-landline-switchover-delayed-emergency-alarms-crisis/
>>
>> Suits me. I have no need of fibre, and my POTS handset will still work
>> for longer in a power cut. The last time but one we had a power outage
>> here, the mobile network was down too.
>>
>Read the footnote published on May 18th here:-
>
><https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/05/openreach-update-as-analogue-uk-phone-switch-off-delayed-to-2027.html>
>
>
>In essence, unless you're defined as 'vulnerable' the switch off date
>remains as Dec 2025
>
>As pointed out multiple times in these threads, this is a totally
>separate to the roll out of FTTP (which will still take 'forever')

Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than
POTS?

On 21/05/2024 09:49, Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2024 08:39:08 +0100, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 21/05/2024 08:03, Davey wrote:
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/31/digital-landline-switchover-delayed-emergency-alarms-crisis/
>>>
>>> Suits me. I have no need of fibre, and my POTS handset will still work
>>> for longer in a power cut. The last time but one we had a power outage
>>> here, the mobile network was down too.
>>>
>> Read the footnote published on May 18th here:-
>>
>> <https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/05/openreach-update-as-analogue-uk-phone-switch-off-delayed-to-2027.html>
>>
>>
>> In essence, unless you're defined as 'vulnerable' the switch off date
>> remains as Dec 2025
>>
>> As pointed out multiple times in these threads, this is a totally
>> separate to the roll out of FTTP (which will still take 'forever')
>
> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than
> POTS?
The quality of the VOIP is dependent finally on e quality of your
broadband connection
--
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...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/31/digital-landline-switchover-delayed-emergency-alarms-crisis/
>
> Suits me. I have no need of fibre, and my POTS handset will still work
> for longer in a power cut. The last time but one we had a power outage
> here, the mobile network was down too.

I'm rather surprised that the telecare industry, to which users pay a hefty
monthly fee to use the service, is acting all surprised that this has come
upon them.  Not only that, they won't swap out the kit users are renting
with something that is more up to date, they'll insist the user pays for a
whole new package.

I can see why the likes of VM are frustrated.

Theo

On Tue, 21 May 2024 08:03:17 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/31/digital-landline-switchover-delayed-emergency-alarms-crisis/
>
>Suits me. I have no need of fibre, and my POTS handset will still work
>for longer in a power cut. The last time but one we had a power outage
>here, the mobile network was down too.

I wonder how the countries with all-digital networks cope with the
issues that are forecast to bring doom and gloom in the UK.

On 21 May 2024 09:49, Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2024 08:39:08 +0100, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 21/05/2024 08:03, Davey wrote:
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/31/digital-landline-switchover-delayed-emergency-alarms-crisis/
>>>
>>> Suits me. I have no need of fibre, and my POTS handset will still work
>>> for longer in a power cut. The last time but one we had a power outage
>>> here, the mobile network was down too.
>>>
>>Read the footnote published on May 18th here:-
>>
>><https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/05/openreach-update-as-analogue-uk-phone-switch-off-delayed-to-2027.html>
>>
>>
>>In essence, unless you're defined as 'vulnerable' the switch off date
>>remains as Dec 2025
>>
>>As pointed out multiple times in these threads, this is a totally
>>separate to the roll out of FTTP (which will still take 'forever')
>
> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than
> POTS?

If it is, we are doomed, as 999 is going to be VOIP and, indeed, once
it gets to the "first responder" organisation will be VOIP internally.

Airwave is moving from analogue to digital in the backbone and, of
course, ESN will be 4G.

OTOH the software in some consumer VOIP devices is rubbish. My EE
"Smart" Hub needs to be restarted regularly as the DECT/ATA interaction
with the "Digital Phone Line" just crashes once in a while.

On Tue, 21 May 2024 09:49:23 +0100, Scott wrote:

> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than POTS?

I've had one VoIP outage in the last ten years.

That was when the FTTC went down because a workman cut the telephone line.

On 21/05/2024 17:38, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
> from analogue to digital in the backbone

Seems unlikely that any significant backbone has been analogue for two
or more decades.

On 22/05/2024 09:39, David Woolley wrote:
> On 21/05/2024 17:38, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>> from analogue to digital in the backbone
>
> Seems unlikely that any significant backbone has been analogue for two
> or more decades.

It depends on what you mean by analogue.
The world at the quantum level is essentially digital, but all our comms
work on such large quantities of photons or electrons that they might as
well be called analogue, and then we superpose  a framework of digits on
top of that by having 'more than n photons/electrons) means a '1'.

I believe one of the problems facing uber small chip design is that he
number of electrins making up that '1' is now so small that the chances
of it being a random '0' are non-negligible.

But joking apart, AFAIK all BTs backbone has been system X *at least*
since 1998. And the real backbone has been, I think, ATM.

'last mile analogue' is all the base band left.

--
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
private property.

Karl Marx

On 22 May 2024 09:39, David Woolley wrote:
> On 21/05/2024 17:38, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>> from analogue to digital in the backbone
>
> Seems unlikely that any significant backbone has been analogue for two
> or more decades.
>

Basically moving from SDH and MPLS to VOIP and an SD-WAN. So I
over-shorthanded

On 21 May 2024 21:50:45 GMT, Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

>On Tue, 21 May 2024 09:49:23 +0100, Scott wrote:
>
>> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than POTS?
>
>I've had one VoIP outage in the last ten years.
>
>That was when the FTTC went down because a workman cut the telephone line.

It has not been outages, but calls where the other person cannot hear
me and I have had to try again and also noise on the line. It is not
forwarding my caller identity so people don't know I am the person
calling.

On 21/05/2024 17:38, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
> On 21 May 2024 09:49, Scott wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2024 08:39:08 +0100, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/05/2024 08:03, Davey wrote:
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/31/digital-landline-switchover-delayed-emergency-alarms-crisis/
>>>>
>>>> Suits me. I have no need of fibre, and my POTS handset will still work
>>>> for longer in a power cut. The last time but one we had a power outage
>>>> here, the mobile network was down too.
>>>>
>>> Read the footnote published on May 18th here:-
>>>
>>> <https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/05/openreach-update-as-analogue-uk-phone-switch-off-delayed-to-2027.html>
>>>
>>>
>>> In essence, unless you're defined as 'vulnerable' the switch off date
>>> remains as Dec 2025
>>>
>>> As pointed out multiple times in these threads, this is a totally
>>> separate to the roll out of FTTP (which will still take 'forever')
>>
>> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than
>> POTS?
>
> If it is, we are doomed, as 999 is going to be VOIP and, indeed, once
> it gets to the "first responder" organisation will be VOIP internally.
>
> Airwave is moving from analogue to digital in the backbone and, of
> course, ESN will be 4G.
>
> OTOH the software in some consumer VOIP devices is rubbish. My EE
> "Smart" Hub needs to be restarted regularly as the DECT/ATA interaction
> with the "Digital Phone Line" just crashes once in a while.
>

At last someone else who has the same issue as me. Out of curiosity can I ask
what model of phones you are using?

--
Regards

RayG

On 23/05/2024 08:58, Scott wrote:
> On 21 May 2024 21:50:45 GMT, Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 May 2024 09:49:23 +0100, Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than POTS?
>>
>> I've had one VoIP outage in the last ten years.
>>
>> That was when the FTTC went down because a workman cut the telephone line.
>
> It has not been outages, but calls where the other person cannot hear
> me and I have had to try again and also noise on the line. It is not
> forwarding my caller identity so people don't know I am the person
> calling.

Yes again a second person on this thread that has the issue of things not
working. Mine usually go after 7-10 days on a regular basis.

What model of phone are you using?

--
Regards

RayG

Scott wrote:

> It has not been outages, but calls where the other person cannot
> hear me and I have had to try again and also noise on the line. It is
> not forwarding my caller identity so people don't know I am the
> person calling.

Whose flavour of VoIP using what hardware have you got?

On Thu, 23 May 2024 08:58:49 +0100, Scott wrote:

> On 21 May 2024 21:50:45 GMT, Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 21 May 2024 09:49:23 +0100, Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than
>>> POTS?
>>
>>I've had one VoIP outage in the last ten years.
>>
>>That was when the FTTC went down because a workman cut the telephone
>>line.
>
> It has not been outages, but calls where the other person cannot hear me
> and I have had to try again and also noise on the line. It is not
> forwarding my caller identity so people don't know I am the person
> calling.

Not had that at all. In ten years.

On 23 May 2024 09:05, RayG wrote:
> On 21/05/2024 17:38, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>> On 21 May 2024 09:49, Scott wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2024 08:39:08 +0100, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 21/05/2024 08:03, Davey wrote:
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/31/digital-landline-switchover-delayed-emergency-alarms-crisis/
>>>>>
>>>>> Suits me. I have no need of fibre, and my POTS handset will still work
>>>>> for longer in a power cut. The last time but one we had a power outage
>>>>> here, the mobile network was down too.
>>>>>
>>>> Read the footnote published on May 18th here:-
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/05/openreach-update-as-analogue-uk-phone-switch-off-delayed-to-2027.html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In essence, unless you're defined as 'vulnerable' the switch off date
>>>> remains as Dec 2025
>>>>
>>>> As pointed out multiple times in these threads, this is a totally
>>>> separate to the roll out of FTTP (which will still take 'forever')
>>>
>>> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than
>>> POTS?
>>
>> If it is, we are doomed, as 999 is going to be VOIP and, indeed, once
>> it gets to the "first responder" organisation will be VOIP internally.
>>
>> Airwave is moving from analogue to digital in the backbone and, of
>> course, ESN will be 4G.
>>
>> OTOH the software in some consumer VOIP devices is rubbish. My EE
>> "Smart" Hub needs to be restarted regularly as the DECT/ATA interaction
>> with the "Digital Phone Line" just crashes once in a while.
>>
>
> At last someone else who has the same issue as me. Out of curiosity can I ask
> what model of phones you are using?

I have the BT branded "Advanced Digital Phone" and I also have a
Digital Phone Adapter. But the problem extends to wirewd phones
attached to the ATA.  So it seems to be a problem in the Hub.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 21 May 2024 21:50:45 GMT, Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 21 May 2024 09:49:23 +0100, Scott wrote:
> >
> >> Is it just me (or my settings?) but I find VOIP less reliable than POTS?
> >
> >I've had one VoIP outage in the last ten years.
> >
> >That was when the FTTC went down because a workman cut the telephone line.
>
> It has not been outages, but calls where the other person cannot hear
> me and I have had to try again and also noise on the line. It is not
> forwarding my caller identity so people don't know I am the person
> calling.

I am still on POTS but, since about January, my router has had to be
re-booted between once and twice a week


--
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(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

On 22/05/2024 09:39, David Woolley wrote:
> Seems unlikely that any significant backbone has been analogue for two
> or more decades.



We looked after a small part of the Airwave backbone some years ago,
that was all digital (satellite).

On 23/05/2024 22:46, JMB99 wrote:
> On 22/05/2024 09:39, David Woolley wrote:
>> Seems unlikely that any significant backbone has been analogue for two
>> or more decades.
>
>
>
> We looked after a small part of the Airwave backbone some years ago,
> that was all digital (satellite).
>
>
Its a moot point as to whether radio comms is analogue or digital.
At its base level it is analogue, with a digital signal superposed on it.

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people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

On 23/05/2024 09:53, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>
> I have the BT branded "Advanced Digital Phone" and I also have a
> Digital Phone Adapter. But the problem extends to wirewd phones
> attached to the ATA.  So it seems to be a problem in the Hub.
>

100% agree but that does not seem to wash with the SW developers when you
suggest it :-(

--
Regards

RayG