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Started by Reed Kennedy
Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:30
Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Reed Kennedy
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:30
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Ever since before I even bought the Buell: "I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." After I crashed the Buell and learned about power in regards to bikes: "I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." When I started looking for a tourer: "I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." See, if I want funkyness, I should get the BMW R1100S. If I want smooth, easy performance, I should get the Triumph Sprint ST, or maybe a VFR. If I want comfort I should get... Anything but a Ducati. A Ducati tourer just doesn't make sense. After reading reviews of the new ST4s all morning, I'd finally decided that a heavy clutch and poor engine performance do not a tourer make, and abandoned the Duc-tourer concept. Permanently, I'd thought. Then this nice gentelman Jorge, who I'd emailed last week about his ST2 called me back. I was bored at work, and able to take a long lunch, and if he was offering up a free ride on his Duc, who was I to complain? I mosey down to his place, and the bike has hardly been out of the garage for 3 minutes when he's encouraging me to take a test ride. Now, the bike's got a few issues. The key-guard had been scratched, and the previous owner "fixed" it by painting it with automotive undercarrige sealer. Great. It was dropped on the left side at low speed by the previous owner as well, so it's been repainted and there are light scuffs on the bag and mirror. Someone put a performance chip in it but couldn't afford pipes, so he drilled the baffels in the stockers. And it's a '98 with 20k miles on it. Frankly, I'm not taking the bike too seriously. But he wants me to ride it, and I'm to bored to pass up a test ride on a Duc. Plus, it wouldn't be polite. To my credit, I managed to be disapointed by the heavy clutch at first squeze, and almost convinced myself I was unimpressed by the exhaust note when it burbled to life. However, when I let the aformentioned clutch out and roared off, it became increasingly difficult to keep a straight face. This bike got bawls. This is when you can all chime in about the ST2 being the pissant of the Duc ST line, about it being almost 1/3 down on HP from the ST4s, etc. I ask you to remember that the Duc is making basically twice the power of my current ride. I'm also under the impression that the little two-valver makes more down low than the newer bikes. To put it another way, I had to remind myself to be good every once in a while to avoid pulling the front wheel up at changed lights. The sound of the bike is virtually a high proof intoxicant, which is both good and bad. On the upside, when you get pulled you'll breathalize clean and be able to walk straight lines (assuming you could before, of course) On the other hand, the ST2's exhaust grumble seems to have the same blurring effect on judgement as your favorite aged scotched, in quantity. It becomes difficult to stop yourself from wondering "How fast will it go?" For once, I'm actually thankful for the SF traffic, as it provided a nessicary limiting factor. I found myself reving the engine at stoplights, for ged's sake! Me! It's like the bike had a little sign on the clocks saying "Do Not Think About Wheelies." It's even narrow enough to split deliciously. About the only thing I could fault were the front brakes. I didn't have time to experiment with them fully, but they didn't have the initial bite I'd hoped for, even given their braded lines. OTOH, the rear brake alone seems to match the stopping power of both of Sprouts clutched tight. And all this for $6,400, asking. I know I can get it for under $6k. Keep in mind that I'm in the Bay Area, the miles are officially in line with KBB estimates, and they suggest that the bike is worth $7025 as trade. And if I were buying a sportbike, this would be it. Unfortunately, I'm just not under the impression that I could tour the way I want to on this bike. All the same, Shanon and I are going by Wednesday morning to test it out 2-up and assure the veracity of the above statement. I'd love to be wrong. I've asked him to have his full service history ready for me, and any other things relevant to the bike. I'm begining to belive I may really want a more Tour bike, like the ST1100. All the same, I think I'll bring $5,000 with me and wave it under his nose. Hell, it might work, right? "I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." Damn. Reed. -- '81 Kawa CSR250 Shitbike, Er... loaner '88 Yamaha YSR50 Racebike Wasabi Fez, the FezRacer '78 SR500 Custom "Critta Isshy, AKA Wicked Little Critta" (For Sale) '89 Honda NX650 "Sprout" || DOD #: 10^3 If you're here for the spelling, you've come to the wrong place. "My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: nweaver@CSUA.Ber
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:07
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In article <Xns910AC61CC68FCcornermailcom@209.155.56.81>, Reed Kennedy <cornerSP@Mmail.com> wrote: >"I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." NO REED! BAD REED! Don't make me drive down and SMACK YOU SILLY. Price the cost of the 7k valve check/ajust first. Go Go Gadget Desmodromic! You do NOT want that on anything remotely called a "sport tourer", let alone less than optimal ergonomics and an annoying clutch. You still aren't test riding the 2 bikes which you NEED to spend a day on: the VFR800 and CBR-XX. Call these guys, they say you only need to be 21 to rent with them, they claim to have a VFR and a CBR-XX for rent. You want high mileage. You want easy but stable steering. You want something absolutely reliable. YOU WANT A HONDA! I'd be willing to split the rental cost, actually, since I want to try these two out myself. -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@cs.berkeley.edu
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: nweaver@CSUA.Ber
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:08
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In article <9mf1t4$20fl$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, Nicholas Weaver <nweaver@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: D'oh, forgot the URL http://www.destinationusa.net/MOTORCYCLESe.html They say you only need to be 21. -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@cs.berkeley.edu
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: csoto
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 04:16
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 04:16
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In article <9mf1t4$20fl$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, nweaver@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Nicholas Weaver) wrote: >In article <Xns910AC61CC68FCcornermailcom@209.155.56.81>, >Reed Kennedy <cornerSP@Mmail.com> wrote: > >>"I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." > >NO REED! BAD REED! Don't make me drive down and SMACK YOU SILLY. > >Price the cost of the 7k valve check/ajust first. Go Go Gadget >Desmodromic! You do NOT want that on anything remotely called a >"sport tourer", let alone less than optimal ergonomics and an annoying >clutch. > >You still aren't test riding the 2 bikes which you NEED to spend a day >on: the VFR800 and CBR-XX. Call these guys, they say you only need to >be 21 to rent with them, they claim to have a VFR and a CBR-XX for >rent. You want high mileage. You want easy but stable steering. You >want something absolutely reliable. YOU WANT A HONDA! > >I'd be willing to split the rental cost, actually, since I want to try >these two out myself. Those are wussy bikes. Just get a Bandit 12 and put some Givi bags on it... Charles -- Charles Soto - Austin, TX *** 1979 KZ650, 1999 GSF1200S, DoD No. "uno" Free Tibet!* * With purchase of equal or greater value. Not available in all stores. While supplies last. Void where prohibited by law. As seen on TV. (If you can't figure out my email, you should unplug the WebTV and lie down.)
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Reed Kennedy
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 04:29
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 04:29
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Nicholas Weaver confessed to rec.motorcycles: > In article <Xns910AC61CC68FCcornermailcom@209.155.56.81>, > Reed Kennedy <cornerSP@Mmail.com> wrote: > >>"I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." > > NO REED! BAD REED! Don't make me drive down and SMACK YOU SILLY. Think you could catch me? > Price the cost of the 7k valve check/ajust first. Go Go Gadget > Desmodromic! Ha! It's already at 20k miles! Oh no, wait... > You do NOT want that on anything remotely called a > "sport tourer", let alone less than optimal ergonomics and an > annoying clutch. Yep. Just as I said in my post. OTOH, the ergos are good for a Duc, the clutch doesn't bother me much (big mitts on me) and I know I could trade it in for $5k on a Buell Firebolt in 6 months or a year. I won't spend more than $5,000 on it, though. And I won't hold this against you when you ask to try it, if I buy it. > You still aren't test riding the 2 bikes which you NEED to spend a > day on: the VFR800 and CBR-XX. Call these guys, What guys? >they say you only > need to be 21 to rent with them, they claim to have a VFR and a > CBR-XX for rent. You want high mileage. You want easy but stable > steering. You want something absolutely reliable. YOU WANT A > HONDA! I didn't mention I'm testing a VFR? That's Thursday. It was supposed to be this morning, but I'm a lazy ass and didn't get out of bed early enough. Pineapple has a 750 they're gonna let me play with. Tuesday: BMW R1100S Triumph Sprint ST Wednesday: Ducati ST2 Thursday: VFR 750 > I'd be willing to split the rental cost, actually, since I want to > try these two out myself. Cool. Lets do just that. See, now, the way -I'd- want to do this is I rent the CBR-XX and you rent the VFR (or vice-versa) and we just switch through the weekend. But I dunno that the insurance works that way. Am I right in fearing that we'll need to do this the Nick Weaver legal mucho paperwork way? Reed. -- '81 Kawa CSR250 Shitbike, Er... loaner '88 Yamaha YSR50 Racebike Wasabi Fez, the FezRacer '78 SR500 Custom "Critta Isshy, AKA Wicked Little Critta" (For Sale) '89 Honda NX650 "Sprout" || DOD #: 10^3 If you're here for the spelling, you've come to the wrong place. "My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Reed Kennedy
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 04:31
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Nicholas Weaver confessed to rec.motorcycles: > In article <9mf1t4$20fl$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, > Nicholas Weaver <nweaver@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: > > D'oh, forgot the URL > http://www.destinationusa.net/MOTORCYCLESe.html > > They say you only need to be 21. The CBR-XX and VFR for research purposes one weekend, and the R1100GS and Sportster for fun another weekend? Reed. -- '81 Kawa CSR250 Shitbike, Er... loaner '88 Yamaha YSR50 Racebike Wasabi Fez, the FezRacer '78 SR500 Custom "Critta Isshy, AKA Wicked Little Critta" (For Sale) '89 Honda NX650 "Sprout" || DOD #: 10^3 If you're here for the spelling, you've come to the wrong place. "My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Beth
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:56
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csoto wrote: > Those are wussy bikes. Just get a Bandit 12 and put some Givi bags on it... FZ-1, bay-bee!!! out of the box, more HP than your WUSSY-GIRLY Bandit 1200! Hear me now but listen to me later, GirlyMan!!! -Beth '00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo" '80 CM200T - "Chappah-San" http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie Mad Beeyotch Mechanic for CMRA Team Greezy Kitty DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist, IPoM#1
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Beth
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:20
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:20
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no, Mantras _don't_ work. look at Bimota... <nyk-nyk-nyk-nyk-nyk-nyk-nyk-nyk-nyk> -Beth '00 SV650Y - "Boo-Boo" '80 CM200T - "Chappah-San" http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie Mad Beeyotch Mechanic for CMRA Team Greezy Kitty DoD#4508, NGG Attack Chihuahua, Mad Scientist, IPoM#1
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: "Nikita Synytsky
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:00
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"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message news:3B8B353E.ABAC004D@texas.net... > csoto wrote: > > > Those are wussy bikes. Just get a Bandit 12 and put some Givi bags on it... > > FZ-1, bay-bee!!! out of the box, more HP than your WUSSY-GIRLY Bandit > 1200! For quite a bit less cash! You can spend the difference on performance hop-ups and creature comforts. Plus, it's a/o-c! I consider that a huge benefit over the watercooled FZ-1. Less stuff to maintain, less liquids to change. Nikita
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Erik Astrup
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:31
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:00:30 -0400, "Nikita Synytskyy" <nikitaLIPOSUCTION@mondenet.com> wrote: >For quite a bit less cash! You can spend the difference on performance >hop-ups and creature comforts. Plus, it's a/o-c! I consider that a huge >benefit over the watercooled FZ-1. Less stuff to maintain, less liquids to >change. Air cooling a "huge benefit" What's the huge benefit? So you change the coolant every two years. Big deal. Hell, even though the FZ1 is water cooled, it still weighs 30 pounds less than that Bandit. Ah, the never ending Bandit vs FZ1 debates. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Astrup - www.teamiguana.com 2001 Yamaha FZ-1 "Do you take drugs Danny?" -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Beffie @ Work
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:30
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In article <26snotc6ppe06d20399rhj1hhsl34cb5cr@4ax.com>, Erik says... >Ah, the never ending Bandit vs FZ1 debates. <stock response> Both are great bikes. The B12 engine is a 15 year old design that has its roots in the original GSXR SACS engine, which has its roots in the GSX TSCC engines, which have THEIR roots in the GS 4 valve TSCC engines...and so on. It is detuned but will make plenty of ponies with a little help from Mr. Exhaust Pipe and Mr. Jetting. It is a tried and true engine and Suzuki should get a resounding clap on the back for keeping that engine in its line, IMHO. WARNING! CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT!: unlike Desmodronic Pantah based 2 valve engines Ducati has been making for 10,000 years, the SACS engine isn't a gimmick engine that "should" have been phased out a long time ago. it's a fleckin' STONE AX that works so why change it? i know i know - apples and orange and SOUL, bayyyy-be! The FZ-1 is newer technology and has the water cooled advantage. Out of the box, it makes more ponies and probably has slightly (if not significantly) better suspension than the Bandit. The R1 engine has roots going back to the FZR1000 engines but I don't think they're as strong as the roots following the SACS down to the GS. Suzuki is a different company than Yammy. Which one is "better?" Doesn't matter. Both spin my top. ;) </stock response> -Beffie Hard @ Work http://lonestar.texas.net/~beffie '00 SV650 (Boo-Boo the Monster Slayer) '80 CM200T - Chappah-San! DoD #4508, NGG Crack Sleuth, CMRA Team Greezy Kitty Mad Scientist
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: "Theresa @ Work"
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:22
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> Erik Astrup wrote: > > Ah, the never ending Bandit vs FZ1 debates. You could always do what Brad did, and get one of each. :) Theresa PAW #0
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Brad Bidnick
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:07
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:07
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"Theresa @ Work" wrote: > > > Erik Astrup wrote: > > > > Ah, the never ending Bandit vs FZ1 debates. Quite the understatement. > You could always do what Brad did, and get one of each. :) Hee hee. :) As for Erik: > Air cooling a "huge benefit" > What's the huge benefit? Well, there's less hoses and fans and stuff that can go wrong, and some people think the older a/o cooled motors with big fat cooling fins all over 'em look nicer than the slimmed down water cooled ones. > So you change the coolant every two years. Big deal. I change the coolant every 3000 miles. That would be the motor oil, silly. >Hell, even though the FZ1 is water cooled, it still weighs >30 pounds less than that Bandit. Yeah, but the Bandit's got more torque and the motor makes cooler noises. But like Beth said, they're both great bikes. I'm happy with both of them. Brad, DoD #2177 1999 Bandit 1200S 2001 FZ1
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Larry xlax Lovis
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:33
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> > > And if I were buying a sportbike, this would be it. Most decisions are seat of the pants judgments... so getting your pants in as many seats as possible is good... You can create a rational for anything... most decisions are based on intuition and faith... one should not commit unless it's absolutely right for the moment... your actions should not be prompt as your thoughts... in the end we're all dulled and bored by having too much... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: ann g
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:55
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Reed Kennedy wrote: > > Nicholas Weaver confessed to ba.motorcycles: > >>See, now, the way -I'd- want to do this is I rent the CBR-XX and you > >>rent the VFR (or vice-versa) and we just switch through the weekend. > >>But I dunno that the insurance works that way. > >> > >>Am I right in fearing that we'll need to do this the Nick Weaver legal > >>mucho paperwork way? > > > > The Nick Weaver Proper way. > > I do suppose that's the... political way to phrase it. > > Any idea what that is, or if it's possible? > > I can just see them trying to get us to pay double for each bike. Admittedly I've never rented a bike... But with cars, I've found that one person rents it, and adds the other as a second driver. Assuming Driver #2 is of the proper age, in possession of the proper ID, and has a credit card number to give as a deposit, they only charge as though it were the one driver. Things get sticky if someone is under age (sometimes 21, sometimes 25, and I'm sure there are other variations), or not in possession of a valid credit card (this wound me up driving around in the just-melting snow in Madison several months ago, as my lame traveling companion only has a debit card and therefore wasn't allowed to drive the car). Kudos to you, Nick Weaver, for insisting on doing it the Proper Way. Especially where Mr. Kennedy is involved. <duck> -ann
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: csoto
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:52
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:52
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In article <9mg1a7$205m8$1@ID-30174.news.dfncis.de>, "Nikita Synytskyy" <nikitaLIPOSUCTION@mondenet.com> wrote: >"Beth" <beffie@texas.net> wrote in message >news:3B8B353E.ABAC004D@texas.net... >> csoto wrote: >> >> > Those are wussy bikes. Just get a Bandit 12 and put some Givi bags on >it... >> >> FZ-1, bay-bee!!! out of the box, more HP than your WUSSY-GIRLY Bandit >> 1200! > >For quite a bit less cash! You can spend the difference on performance >hop-ups and creature comforts. Plus, it's a/o-c! I consider that a huge >benefit over the watercooled FZ-1. Less stuff to maintain, less liquids to >change. > >Nikita Hail yeah! I can get Gixxer cams, a new full exhaust, Stage 2 airhandling, suspension mods, etc. for less than the cost of a FZ-1, and I won't be on an ugly bike :) Charles -- Charles Soto - Austin, TX *** 1979 KZ650, 1999 GSF1200S, DoD No. "uno" Free Tibet!* * With purchase of equal or greater value. Not available in all stores. While supplies last. Void where prohibited by law. As seen on TV. (If you can't figure out my email, you should unplug the WebTV and lie down.)
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Reed Kennedy
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:00
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:00
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Larry xlax Lovisone confessed to ba.motorcycles: >> And if I were buying a sportbike, this would be it. > > Most decisions are seat of the pants judgments... so getting your pants > in as many seats as possible is good... > You can create a rational for anything... most decisions are based on > intuition and faith... one should not commit unless it's absolutely > right for the moment... your actions should not be prompt as your > thoughts... in the end we're all dulled and bored by having too much... And that's how I keep feeling about the BMW R1100S, for whatever unfathomable reason. Post coming soon. Reed. -- '78 SR500 Custom "Critta Isshy, AKA Wicked Little Critta" (For Sale) '89 Honda NX650 "Sprout" || DOD #: 10^3 If you're here for the spelling, you've come to the wrong place. "My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: ann g
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:42
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:42
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Reed Kennedy wrote: > Are you going to start lecturing me about soulless bikes too, now? I'm not qualified. Haven't we already concluded that the only bike in common we can even *fit* on is our beloved but apparently untouchable Honda GB500? You're more than a foot taller than me. I can't reach the ground from the stuff you're talking about buying. I can hardly critique it. (Ok, I could, but I'd be talking out my *ss. Like everyone else around here. :P ) -ann
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Steve 65
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:55
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csoto wrote: > > "Nikita Synytskyy" wrote: > > >"Beth" wrote: > >> > >> csoto wrote: > >> > >> > Just get a Bandit 12 > >> > >> FZ-1, bay-bee!!! out of the box, more HP than your WUSSY-GIRLY Bandit > >> 1200! > > > >For quite a bit less cash! > > and I won't be on an > ugly bike :) Huh? I though you said you had a Bandit. Steve 65
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: csoto
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:26
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In article <3B8C2420.6F34F2F9@nospamformeplease.com>, Brad Bidnick <bradford.bidnick@nospamformeplease.com> wrote: >"Theresa @ Work" wrote: >> >> > Erik Astrup wrote: >> > >> > Ah, the never ending Bandit vs FZ1 debates. > >Quite the understatement. > >> You could always do what Brad did, and get one of each. :) > >Hee hee. :) > >As for Erik: > >> Air cooling a "huge benefit" >> What's the huge benefit? > >Well, there's less hoses and fans and stuff that can go wrong, and some >people think the older a/o cooled motors with big fat cooling fins all >over 'em look nicer than the slimmed down water cooled ones. > >> So you change the coolant every two years. Big deal. > >I change the coolant every 3000 miles. That would be the motor oil, >silly. > >>Hell, even though the FZ1 is water cooled, it still weighs >>30 pounds less than that Bandit. > >Yeah, but the Bandit's got more torque and the motor makes cooler >noises. But like Beth said, they're both great bikes. I'm happy with >both of them. > >Brad, DoD #2177 >1999 Bandit 1200S >2001 FZ1 Hmm... You have convinced me. I will also get a FZ-1. Charles -- Charles Soto - Austin, TX *** 1979 KZ650, 1999 GSF1200S, DoD No. "uno" Free Tibet!* * With purchase of equal or greater value. Not available in all stores. While supplies last. Void where prohibited by law. As seen on TV. (If you can't figure out my email, you should unplug the WebTV and lie down.)
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: nweaver@CSUA.Ber
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:31
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:31
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In article <Xns910ADA86031A3cornermailcom@209.155.56.81>, Reed Kennedy <cornerSP@Mmail.com> wrote: >Nicholas Weaver confessed to rec.motorcycles: > >> In article <9mf1t4$20fl$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, >> Nicholas Weaver <nweaver@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: >> >> D'oh, forgot the URL >> http://www.destinationusa.net/MOTORCYCLESe.html >> >> They say you only need to be 21. > >The CBR-XX and VFR for research purposes one weekend, and the R1100GS >and Sportster for fun another weekend? Sounds good to me. -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@cs.berkeley.edu
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: nweaver@CSUA.Ber
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:36
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In article <Xns910ADA33E6A33cornermailcom@209.155.56.81>,
Reed Kennedy <cornerSP@Mmail.com> wrote:
>>>"I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati."
>>
>> NO REED! BAD REED! Don't make me drive down and SMACK YOU SILLY.
>
>Think you could catch me?
Yeup. All I need to do is follow behing at my normal slow pace
and wait for you to wipe out. :)
>See, now, the way -I'd- want to do this is I rent the CBR-XX and you
>rent the VFR (or vice-versa) and we just switch through the weekend.
>But I dunno that the insurance works that way.
>
>Am I right in fearing that we'll need to do this the Nick Weaver legal
>mucho paperwork way?
The Nick Weaver Proper way.
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Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@cs.berkeley.edu
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Reed Kennedy
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:33
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:33
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Nicholas Weaver confessed to ba.motorcycles: > In article <Xns910ADA33E6A33cornermailcom@209.155.56.81>, > Reed Kennedy <cornerSP@Mmail.com> wrote: >>>>"I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." >>> >>> NO REED! BAD REED! Don't make me drive down and SMACK YOU SILLY. >> >>Think you could catch me? > > Yeup. All I need to do is follow behing at my normal slow pace > and wait for you to wipe out. :) > >>See, now, the way -I'd- want to do this is I rent the CBR-XX and you >>rent the VFR (or vice-versa) and we just switch through the weekend. >>But I dunno that the insurance works that way. >> >>Am I right in fearing that we'll need to do this the Nick Weaver legal >>mucho paperwork way? > > The Nick Weaver Proper way. I do suppose that's the... political way to phrase it. Any idea what that is, or if it's possible? I can just see them trying to get us to pay double for each bike. Reed. -- '78 SR500 Custom "Critta Isshy, AKA Wicked Little Critta" (For Sale) '89 Honda NX650 "Sprout" || DOD #: 10^3 If you're here for the spelling, you've come to the wrong place. "My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Some Guy on a Bi
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:39
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Reed Kennedy wrote: > About the only thing I could fault were the front brakes. I didn't > have time to experiment with them fully, but they didn't have the > initial bite I'd hoped for, even given their braded lines. OTOH, the > rear brake alone seems to match the stopping power of both of Sprouts > clutched tight. This is a flaw with the STs. I cannot explain it. Granted, with the cast-iron rotors and good pads, the bite is excellent, but they have a certain rubbery feel at the lever I could never quite get used to. > Unfortunately, I'm just not under the impression that I could tour the > way I want to on this bike. Corbin. Bar risers. > "I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." Told you not to ride a Ducati, you putz. BP
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Some Guy on a Bi
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:43
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:43
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Nicholas Weaver wrote:
> Price the cost of the 7k valve check/ajust first.
6k. 18k if you get MBP collets, though.
The price will be very, very cheap indeed as long as he keeps me in
mildly obsolete gadgets. I;{>
> You do NOT want that on anything remotely called a
> "sport tourer", let alone less than optimal ergonomics and an annoying
> clutch.
The clutch is a joy at speed, which is what it's designed for.
I happen to know a cheap and easy fix if Reed wants a lighter clutch.
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Reed Kennedy
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:59
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:59
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Some Guy on a Bike confessed to ba.motorcycles: >> "I don't want a Ducati. I don't want a Ducati." > > Told you not to ride a Ducati, you putz. BP Why do you think I had to ride one? And actually, I thought you had... http://groups.google.com/groups?selm;89A7BD.3F563E4A%40somewhere.u.cant.r each&output=gplain ::grin:: Reed. -- '78 SR500 Custom "Critta Isshy, AKA Wicked Little Critta" (For Sale) '89 Honda NX650 "Sprout" || DOD #: 10^3 If you're here for the spelling, you've come to the wrong place. "My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Reed Kennedy
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:02
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:02
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ann g confessed to rec.motorcycles: > Reed Kennedy wrote: >> >> Nicholas Weaver confessed to ba.motorcycles: >> >>See, now, the way -I'd- want to do this is I rent the CBR-XX and you >> >>rent the VFR (or vice-versa) and we just switch through the weekend. >> >>But I dunno that the insurance works that way. >> >> >> >>Am I right in fearing that we'll need to do this the Nick Weaver legal >> >>mucho paperwork way? >> > >> > The Nick Weaver Proper way. >> >> I do suppose that's the... political way to phrase it. >> >> Any idea what that is, or if it's possible? >> >> I can just see them trying to get us to pay double for each bike. > > Admittedly I've never rented a bike... > > But with cars, I've found that one person rents it, and adds the other > as a second driver. Assuming Driver #2 is of the proper age, in > possession of the proper ID, and has a credit card number to give as a > deposit, they only charge as though it were the one driver. Things get > sticky if someone is under age (sometimes 21, sometimes 25, and I'm sure > there are other variations), or not in possession of a valid credit card > (this wound me up driving around in the just-melting snow in Madison > several months ago, as my lame traveling companion only has a debit card > and therefore wasn't allowed to drive the car). Cool. Hopefully the rental place will be decent to us. > Kudos to you, Nick Weaver, for insisting on doing it the Proper Way. > Especially where Mr. Kennedy is involved. <duck> Ugh. I hate paperwork. Are you going to start lecturing me about soulless bikes too, now? Reed. -- '78 SR500 Custom "Critta Isshy, AKA Wicked Little Critta" (For Sale) '89 Honda NX650 "Sprout" || DOD #: 10^3 If you're here for the spelling, you've come to the wrong place. "My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
Re: Mantras Don't Work.
Author: Reed Kennedy
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:19
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:19
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ann g confessed to rec.motorcycles: > Reed Kennedy wrote: >> Are you going to start lecturing me about soulless bikes too, now? > > I'm not qualified. Haven't we already concluded that the only bike in > common we can even *fit* on is our beloved but apparently untouchable > Honda GB500? Some day, it -will- be mine... > You're more than a foot taller than me. I can't reach the > ground from the stuff you're talking about buying. I can hardly > critique it. You'd love this R1100S. It's got sport suspension and a shorter Paralink brace, so it's another inch or two taller in the rear than R1100S's are supposed to be. Does wonders for the clearence and handeling, though. And I actually kinda sorta noticed a difference in that second one. Really. >(Ok, I could, but I'd be talking out my *ss. Like > everyone else around here. :P ) It's tradition! How else would we have anything to talk about? Reed. -- '78 SR500 Custom "Critta Isshy, AKA Wicked Little Critta" (For Sale) '89 Honda NX650 "Sprout" || DOD #: 10^3 If you're here for the spelling, you've come to the wrong place. "My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
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